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I didn't add arbitrary time limits, that's the explanation for why it wasn't challenged for so long, it's because people didn't care until the modern benefits of marriage.
Uhrm, no, that's bollocks. There was zero chance of success until very recently, and any public expression of homosexuality would put one in mortal danger for much of that time.

Has the SCOTUS overturned gay marriage or not?
"Something hasn't happened yet so therefore it cannot happen".
 

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No one is killing babies, fuck-knuckle.

The problem with society is that it isn't willing to look after its children and young parents. Can't fault people for not wanting to be pregnant if they have to work two jobs just to survive, and that's without there being a baby around.
Those are solvable problems. Just go after insurance companies, reduce pharma patients, and crack down on pricing in some cases, PBMs. Or just do a public option competing with insurance to force rates down. Wages can be solved by giving people tax incentives to have kids and reducing tax incentives for people who just marry but otherwise don't adopt, etc. Also, the average American is highly paid vs. the rest of the world.
 

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Extinction through lack of breeding is exceptionally unlikely.

Pre-agriculture, or >95% of Homo sapiens' existence, the global population was probably less than 10 million, if not less than 1 million, and we did fine. We'd probably be genetically healthy at a few tens of thousands. That's all we need.

Next, think about the timescales required, how many centuries this would take.

A large part of wanting to have children is going to be societal / cultural. A world with a tenth as many people as now - which would take centuries to decline to assuming no catastrophe - would be a vastly different world from now, and a vastly different society and culture. There's simply no good reason to think that the current trend for declining birth rates would be perpetual. Even something as simple as a world with much less people might make having more children more attractive.
It's doubtful that would happen. Why go through the trouble of having kids when you aren't forced by law to do so? Because many people don't have kids who just take vacations and are happier than people with kids.
 

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Society is absolutely willing to look after children and young parents. People think they can't afford kids because are trying to wait until they won't need help, but even the poorest people manage to raise kids with the help of their community.

And yes, they're killing babies. Stop killing babies.
Society (young people) wants to look at their phones and scroll social media. They want to travel to Italy and Japan. They want to be on YouTube vs. being an accountant or a welder.

Society (old people) wants to fight wars they can't win; they want their pension at the cost of society. They want to gamble and go on cruises.

If everyone lived like liberals, we would go extinct eventually. But going back in history means unhappy children who grow up into non-innovative adults. Also unhappy couples.
 
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It’s foolish to think there aren’t enough people in the world. There are more than enough, but the problem is that too high a percentage is already considered a write off, collateral damage, etc.. The human quest for money and power above all else has made our society increasingly a very inefficient, un-nurturing place to raise healthy, functional kids to adulthood for the average parents, and that’s the issue no one wants to address or figure out how to improve. The elite who pull the strings are too disconnected from the ground floor.


Instead of treating abortion as last resort birth control (outside of medical emergencies), since abstinence is completely unrealistic then family planning should be part any health insurance policy for women to be given bc until they (partner included) are mature and established enough to properly care for a child, because no kid should have to suffer shitty, stupid parents. If that’s too demanding, then I guess it circles back to my first point. Maybe we just have to accept whatever comes with scaling back humanity’s existence if “doing better” is such an insurmountable task.
 
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It’s foolish to think there aren’t enough people in the world. There are more than enough, but the problem is that too high a percentage is already considered a write off, collateral damage, etc.. The human quest for money and power above all else has made our society increasingly a very inefficient, un-nurturing place to raise healthy, functional kids to adulthood for the average parents, and that’s the issue no one wants to address or figure out how to improve. The elite who pull the strings are too disconnected from the ground floor.


Instead of treating abortion as last resort birth control (outside of medical emergencies), since abstinence is completely unrealistic then family planning should be part any health insurance policy for women to be given bc until they (partner included) are mature and established enough to properly care for a child, because no kid should have to suffer shitty, stupid parents. If that’s too demanding, then I guess it circles back to my first point. Maybe we just have to accept whatever comes with scaling back humanity’s existence if “doing better” is such an insurmountable task.
It's not that there aren't enough people on this planet right now. It's that there will likely not be enough to replace those who have died in the future. Again, when people are happy, they have even fewer children and the human desire for want never ends. Even if everyone was living like a millionaire, they would want to be a billionaire if they could. Everyone assumes I am against abortions; I am against forced abortions like in China, but for increasing women's rights across the world. The problem is aging societies aren't great innovative societies. Population growth and real GDP growth are good things to a point.

I am saying we can have our cake and eat it too. If you want to have an LGBTQ marriage, a marriage with one woman and one man but no kids, or even a single-kid marriage or adoption. Fine. Let's have that, plus GDP growth via increased output per person. What you don't get to say is that only young people, couples, or living women get to decide if the population needs to grow during, say, great times or decrease during bad times, increase during wars, and decrease during peace. That should be up to ethical companies and the state. Because right now if everyone had babies at the same rate as the average Westerner, let alone the average Asian, there wouldn't even be enough people to staff the nursing homes.
 

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I do want radical life extension, but if I were to pick that and people going into space vs. living forever in a VR world, I would pick going into space.
We won't go "into space" in any meaningful way this century. Probably not in the next either.
 
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It's doubtful that would happen. Why go through the trouble of having kids when you aren't forced by law to do so? Because many people don't have kids who just take vacations and are happier than people with kids.
Modern corporate advertising and media tells people all the amazing aspirations they should be aiming for, whilst declining to supply the majority with the salary and free time to afford much if any of it. Maybe that's why many pass on kids.

But it doesn't have to be that way.
 

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Being terrified an agent of the state might have a different interpretation of what counts as a "medical emergency."
It doesn't matter what the state calls a medical emergency. The law is dependent on the practitioner's belief there is a medical emergency.

You are finding stories of pregnant women dying and blaming on a "chilling effect" from the literally no arrests of doctors performing abortions.
One might note some states have at least already started proactively specifying exemptions (e.g. ectopic pregnancies). That's effectively an admission they fucked up: but hey, what's a few dead or seriously injured women on the way to getting things right?
Specifying exemptions makes the law effectively stricter. Now doctor's will look to see if an exemption is specified and refuse anything not specifically listed. Deferring to their judgment is much broader than specifying exceptions.

You advocate for the voluntary killing of millions, you want there to be chaos if that's taken away, and you see each human tragedy as ammunition in your argument for human slaughter. You have a sickness, and you need to start grieving those whose deaths you've called for before you'll see the problem.
 

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Uhrm, no, that's bollocks. There was zero chance of success until very recently, and any public expression of homosexuality would put one in mortal danger for much of that time.



"Something hasn't happened yet so therefore it cannot happen".
And y'all can't list any important benefits of marriage for most of American history.

It's not gonna happen. I think I have a bet with Mysterious that is won't happen as well.
 

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You know, that's rich coming from a man defending Israel slaughtering Palestinians and his government supplying the arms to do so, particularly when it the death of humans who can think about and feel all the pain of being extinguished. Perhaps, if we want to get Biblical about this, you need to remove the plank from your own eye before you remove the speck from other people's. You and yours don't have the core respect for human life you want to pretend to, and the stench of hypocrisy wafting out every time you try that sort of line makes the room unbearable.
 

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And y'all can't list any important benefits of marriage for most of American history.
Already did. You then gave one-line dismissals showcasing your historical ignorance on the topic.
 

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We won't go "into space" in any meaningful way this century. Probably not in the next either.
SpaceX.

Modern corporate advertising and media tells people all the amazing aspirations they should be aiming for, whilst declining to supply the majority with the salary and free time to afford much if any of it. Maybe that's why many pass on kids.

But it doesn't have to be that way.
I personally find vacations boring. Most of the time you go in pre-planned tour groups, or the locals don't speak English.
 

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As someone looking to jump off of the democratic party and never care about voting again if it's like the 2012 election, if we lose this election, it will be because of man-hating liberals like Joy Behar, leftist accelerationists like Ana Kasparian, and the Russian-funded tankies.

It will not be because of young men, or young women because most of both genders don't fucking vote. It's mostly older voters.
 

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Is not going to get anyone into space in any meaningful manner. A small selection of scientists doing scientist things? Sure.

The common man like you and me? No chance.
I agree with the latter, I'm not so sure they'll even do that much for the former.
 

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Already did. You then gave one-line dismissals showcasing your historical ignorance on the topic.
Nope, I'm not gonna be like Gene Hackman in Class Action sifting through all the bullshit you posted to find something relevant. Just give me the relevant parts. I don't do that to you.