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Surely for that to be true, the Democrats would have to realise that supporting genocide has hurt their political position, and move away from it? I don't expect them to stop supporting Israel, win or lose, or stop going right on other issues. As such, a vote for them while committing genocide isn't going to encourage them to become worse, they'll do that anyway.

But, ok, if you believe that will make them worse (and that there will be free and fair elections after at least 4 years of Trump, which I'm not sure of), and if that will hurt worse than the Republicans being in power, long term, it follows that voting Democrats was wrong, but different people have different premises.
That's a really bad assumption. Even with Tippy overexaggerated claims of the number of people turning away from the Dems over genocide, the numbers might have turned one state blue. And that if you collect them in one spot

The problem is that, if you were watching all the MSM, Liberals were VERY pro-genocide. I would dare half of the people voting for the Dems. Tens of millions. The numbers don't math

The Dems aren't changing their tune for a long time. They are just following what Americans want. Now that they have lost, and the GOP won, they NEED to shift TOWARDS genocide, not away. If people haven't noticed, the Dems copy a lot of the GOP policies to make sure they aren't hit politically for it
 
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Alright, I'll stop acting like I'm a "cut above" and "Holier than Thou" and whatever asinine insults you want to throw my way for daring for not shutting up and stepping in line like a good little Democrat should.

But that means I'm just going to stop responding to you #VBNMW peeps who keep lashing out at me for daring to tell Democrats to go pound sand over their Genocide (and yes, if you are telling people to vote Harris no matter her stance on Genocide, that is the "Blue No Matter" Who part). So you guys can circle jerk each other with how great you are for voting for a candidate who ultimately got her teeth kicked in because she refused to listen to people like me (and don't you all worry, I'll be sure to circle jerk myself with how great I am for voting Third Party and saying No to Genocide). Harris didn't lose because she went hard right on a number of issues, kept telling the poors that they're too stupid to understand that the economy rules right now while everyone struggles to survive, and had no intention of stopping a genocide; she lost because everyone is just racist against the black woman who ran the most perfect campaign ever.
Well, thanks for missing the whole entire point
 
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Oh geez, this is what I get for posting in one of these things, forgot how easily you can get trapped...
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I've literally never voted for a republican...
So let me stop you right there; nope, not doing this. First, never said you did, just that you were on the right which...obviously. From what you post, you seem to sit on the right, or at least maintain that you're centrist, but I mean, just from you stating that the candidate you voted for came 5th means you probably voted Libertarian which, is atleast right wing adjacent. To say nothing of the mountains of comments you have posted over the past few years.

...I don't know how to exit this thread now, so I'm just going to (unless it gets spicy again or we all die, I don't know)
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Oh geez, this is what I get for posting in one of these things, forgot how easily you can get trapped...
Well, it was nice to see someone else post here instead of the same old people exchanging the same old arguments most of the time.

But yes, it is important to know when to leave a discussion after everything of value was said. It is futile to wait for people changing their mind on topics they are emotional about.


Otherwise there is some venting going on currently after the election. That will calm down.
 

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So apparently Trump won the house too, so he will have a full grip on power. Taking bets on how many of his policies he will not accomplish because the Parlimentarian is gonna block his overturning of the filibuster which apparently was sufficient to stop democrat policies when they last had this same power.

My bet is on 0.
 

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So apparently Trump won the house too, so he will have a full grip on power. Taking bets on how many of his policies he will not accomplish because the Parlimentarian is gonna block his overturning of the filibuster which apparently was sufficient to stop democrat policies when they last had this same power.

My bet is on 0.
It will be as many as his Vice President wants. So yeah, probably zero.
 
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Regarding the border issue, yes it’s Ted but -



For added context, specifically at about four minutes in -



Also ten minutes in for an interesting example of cause and effect is how it was ironically Reagan who essentially turned California blue via the 1986 amnesty bill.

 

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You subject the child by convincing them the bullshit is true by repeating it again and again. And bullshit is what it is, so obvious when you look at who is actually transitioning (mostly males), the despair of young men/boys and society.

Boy sees his female classmates surpass the boys academically. (Partly because schools are structured to the way girls learn and teachers favor girls.) The women in his life typically have more attractive professions than the men because of how far ahead of the boys they were in K12 school, how many exclusive college scholarships they have and because women are usually picked over men for the same positions. Because of what filmmakers call toxic masculinity, the men that he watches in movies and TV shows are typically less assertive, more foolish, vile and weaker than their predecessors, while woman are usually portrayed positively. The boy is also isolated. He walks on eggshells all the time, with the opposite sex, again because of the modern hostility towards masculinity. If he does gather the courage to approach a girl and manages to do it in a way that is not considered creepy or repulsive by modern standards, the girl will very likely reject him anyway. A forty year concentration of wealth has made her, like most, gravitate towards the few men still able to succeed. Boy doesn't have the looks to make up for that, isn't in the top percentile of men. He tries to build charisma, but has grown up on technology. It has both made him worse at socializing and made the girl less receptive. She comes off as cold, perhaps unintentionally, because she is using her phone or because her mind is elsewhere: in the digital. Car-obsessive city planning, the death of walkable cities after the 1950s, doesn't give him many opportunities to encounter women. His life after high school is mostly the lone commute (in a car) and the destination, where he sees the same few people all the time. When so many young people are not having sex that it's called alarming and concerning, it's no longer just on the individual, it's systemic.

Boy has no pride, no male role models, no prospects, feels isolated, has been shamed little by little over the course of his life. Depression inevitably festers. He sees women own the dating market at age 20, sees how much better women are treated and portrayed. Becomes convinced that he was born in the wrong body, because no one was ever there to help him make sense of his life. Those who might have explained kept their mouths shut for fear of being alienated by their friends, family, colleagues. The voices around him were almost exclusively pro-trans.

Makes sense that men are four times more likely to commit suicide than women and that men transition three to four times as often as women. They have to bottle up their feelings and can't be as emotional. Men's feelings don't matter. The worst thing about people spreading this harebrained theory of being born into the wrong body is that children believe it after hearing it enough, eventually leading to destructive hormone therapy and self-mutilation. This is why the right calls them groomers, which they can't grasp for some reason. The reason it's scientific consensus is because the researchers who wanted to prove it got grants by a medical industry that wants to sell drugs and surgery. Nobody will give a grant to someone researching if gender dysphoria is a sham. It would make the company look bigoted.

An eighteen year old boy died in April 2023 from complications within 24 hours of his vaginoplasty. They used a part of his colon. I thought those doctors were uniquely moronic to use his colon, but it's common practice when puberty blockers prevent the penis from developing enough to craft an artificial vagina. Trans proponents won't talk about tragedies like that, nor be honest about what these procedures actually entail. They silently accept it as the cost of inclusivity. Some will tell you that it's fine to give children hormone blockers because it can be stopped if the child changes their mind. No, the damage is permanent. For Pete's sake, we're talking up to sterilization.

I won't attack trans people. I won't be mean to them when I see them or need to interact with them. They are victims of a gynocentric oligarchy. But the advocates deserve scorn. They refuse to acknowledge that boys are so much unhappier than girls (proven by the suicide numbers) and can't think about the factors because they don't wanna be associated with "them." With incels, Nazis or whatever they wanna call us. It's all political for them, at the expense of children.

Still don't know why he quoted me.
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Ok, someone else to put on he ignore list.
 
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Yeah, once again I am sorry for that. I did see when the trolley got rolled into here (see previous point on said trolley), as I am a hard-core lurker and didn't want to get involved in the shitshow personally. That bit was mostly aimed at my lack of knowledge on why everyone seems keenly eager to grab the throwing axes (like @Trunkage ), as that seems to stem from shit years ago. My wading into this mess was more about trying to explain why you keep getting so much flak from everyone else (EDIT: From my perspective on the outside looking in), but I'll be the first to admit that I did a bad job, and especially feel bad if my personal thoughts on the matter were used to attack you further or that my own thoughts take so long to get down that they usually come in the middle of half a dozen other comments.
I was going to just let this go but I will say that I got more aggressive at you than I probably should have. I'm just sick of people whining at me, especially at this point since what's done is done (hence why now I'm just fucking around and talking about Dear Leader Harris and whatnot; this conversation is pointless now that she has lost and rather than doing the mature thing and bowing out of the argument like you, I'm gonna do the immature thing!).
 
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So apparently Trump won the house too, so he will have a full grip on power. Taking bets on how many of his policies he will not accomplish because the Parlimentarian is gonna block his overturning of the filibuster which apparently was sufficient to stop democrat policies when they last had this same power.

My bet is on 0.
Well there is something fun to look forward to here.


The R grip in the house is razor thin and Trump keeps wanting to appoint them to his cabinet, shrinking his own majority. Perhaps in extremis comedy, the senate republicans block his confirmations because they're smarter than him, and spark a civil war within the party.
 

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Well there is something fun to look forward to here.


The R grip in the house is razor thin and Trump keeps wanting to appoint them to his cabinet, shrinking his own majority. Perhaps in extremis comedy, the senate republicans block his confirmations because they're smarter than him, and spark a civil war within the party.
Maybe Trump is gonna pull a Democrats and say he WANTS to get all this cool shit done like the tariffs and whatnot but realizes now it's an incredibly stupid idea that'll make everyone hate him so he has to hamstring himself so he can "try to push it through" without the risk of it actually passing.

He's just pulling members to be in his cabinet rather than getting a rotating villain like Manchin or Sinema to block it
 
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Well there is something fun to look forward to here.


The R grip in the house is razor thin and Trump keeps wanting to appoint them to his cabinet, shrinking his own majority. Perhaps in extremis comedy, the senate republicans block his confirmations because they're smarter than him, and spark a civil war within the party.
Haha well, nobody accused Trump of ever thinking things through that's for sure. Will be interesting to see what happens here.
 
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What policies of ours do you find appealing?
The policies for requiring employers to give so much PTO/Vacation time\maternity leave, average work week for hours is 30, public healthcare system (which the US can't do in the current state with the healthcare prices), and Sweden's covid policy was arguably the best in the world.

So let me stop you right there; nope, not doing this. First, never said you did, just that you were on the right which...obviously. From what you post, you seem to sit on the right, or at least maintain that you're centrist, but I mean, just from you stating that the candidate you voted for came 5th means you probably voted Libertarian which, is atleast right wing adjacent. To say nothing of the mountains of comments you have posted over the past few years.

...I don't know how to exit this thread now, so I'm just going to (unless it gets spicy again or we all die, I don't know)
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Just because I thought my candidate had the best overall platform doesn't mean it's my ideal platform.
 

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So remember that Republican governor who murdered her dog and admitted she got such a rush from doing so that she decided to go murder her goat too? Well guess who's getting a job in the administration.
 

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Apparently Trump Administration wants to continue its work on kicking out illegal immigrants. And this time, they are gonna target those with U.S. citizenship as well, mostly for those who gave false information during their naturalization process, or got their citizenship through illegal means.

I got my citizenship back in 2019, and the first major thing I did was to vote for Biden. Now I'm terrified because I might get roped into this mass deportation movement. I was honest in my interview and gave true information, but there is a good chance I might be forced to move back to Korea. And of course the USCIS will apologize for "making you caught in the middle of all this" but won't re-instate my citizenship

... which isn't any better because I pretty much skipped the required military service in Korea. So the first thing that happens when I land there is getting arrested and sent to jail.

Ugh.
You hang in there, my brother. I know it is not much, but I pray they leave you be and not tie you into any of this nonsense.
 
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So apparently Trump won the house too, so he will have a full grip on power. Taking bets on how many of his policies he will not accomplish because the Parlimentarian is gonna block his overturning of the filibuster which apparently was sufficient to stop democrat policies when they last had this same power.

My bet is on 0.
Lets not forget the SCOTUS just said he was all powerful and above the law.

I just someone say something along the line of "the last decade has been the democrat clinging to the rule book saying that dog can't play basketball while airbud dung above their head".

I'll give some leeway to the dem about the election in that the public is mostly made up of uniformed moron and the media has a vested interest in making both side seems more or less equal (nobody want to see Mohamed Ali fight a quadriplegic kid, they want to to Ali vs Tyson, so the media will always bring down the better candidate while elevating the worse one).

But the way they wrap themselves up to be as ineffectual as possible even when they have all the power is crazy and shameful. You think Trump would ever let the SCOTUS make bribery illegal? No he'd fight that in the most dirty way possible, he'd go full Mitch McConnell and find some dumb loophole to stop it. So why can't the dem do anything to stop bribery from being legal. Even fucking now Biden is literally above the law, he has a couple of months where he can do literally anything he damn well want, and yet he won't do shit. The gop coming in to take over are literally howling about how they want to use their power to persecute their political opponent, and Biden (ie one of their political opponent) can't be bothered to do anything. I think the dem/Biden vastly overestimate the public response if he was to do something like his own Jan 6th. The country is walking toward authoritarian fascist, and the good people can't be bothered to stop it.
 

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During the campaign, Donald Trump openly advertised that as president, he’ll use the state to retaliate against his enemies in every way he possibly can. He won anyway. Now The New York Times reports that some of his advisors are urging him to absolutely make good on that threat. And right on cue, Trump erupted on social media calling for investigations into people who are supposedly spreading false rumors about his intention to sell shares of his Truth Social. What exactly is this going to look like once he has the power to install administration officials who actually can order such investigations?