General level of education isn't super high in Greenland and there might be some who'd consider it the ultimate middle finger to the Danish, though I do believe that cooler heads will prevail.
US 2024 Presidential Election
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Kamala Harris Paid the Price for Not Breaking With Biden on Gaza, New Poll Shows
Twenty-nine percent of non-voters who supported Biden in 2020 said U.S. support for the genocide was the top reason they sat the 2024 election, according to a survey by YouGov.
www.dropsitenews.com
I am shocked! SHOCKED!!!
Well not that shocked
Who'd have thunk that genocide would be such a hot button issue, am I right?!?!
(Also, this is going to look so much worse if the rumors are true and a ceasefire actually happens because Trump played hardball with Israel over the genocide shit, though a lot still has to happen for me to actually believe it will happen.)
I personally will probably never vote for a Democrat again in my life but how could you possibly look at what is currently going down and be able to face yourself in the mirror if you continue to choose to support Democrats after this (at least without some MAJOR changes that the DNC seems to have no interest in doing as they blame everyone else but themselves for losing to Trump again) if the ceasefire proves to be true? This would be about as clear as proof as we're ever going to get that Genocide was a specific choice of The Democrats and that everything we Progressives have been saying that a vote for Harris is a Vote for Genocide was literally true beyond even our wildest imaginations...
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But war protesters like say Vietnam wanted the US out of the war. And North Vietnam invaded so do people want the US to intervene or not? You can't change your stance for every conflict.
Again, it's just claims that have not be proven like all the other ones against Trump. Remember when the Mueller Report was going to be a bombshell. Democrats have cried wolf too many times for me to believe them until they actually "get" Trump on something.
Or proof Bibi just sat on the deal until he was sure his Republican palls got into office. If withholding a ceasefire from the Democrats to get Trump into office is part of the game its not so surprising the withholding stops when the goal of getting Trump into office has been reached.
You see how that's even worse, right?
In your scenario, the Democrats were absolutely powerless to do anything about funding Israel's genocide for the year plus it has been going on? Israel is right now just pretending to be steaming mad at Trump for playing hardball because Israel wanted to stop doing genocide all along but if they did that, it would look too good for the Democrats?
Like ...Christ, someone get you to the Olympics cause you're a shoe-in for Golf at The Mental Gymnastics here.
So the very best case scenario is Democrats have no idea how to use power to get results they want seeing how easily Trump gave Israel a much needed ***** slap. The far far far more likely scenario that Democrats WANTED to keep that war going for whatever reason (likely political but a genocide is a genocide no matter how pretty up your reason for supporting it).
They would rather lose the election (see the news article i posted) than stand up to Israel and their genocide. Hell, someone should have told Harris that if they lost, Trump would stop the genocide. Maybe they'd have tried harder to win if they knew no more genocide was going to be a consequence...
Courts that will absolutely refuse to punish Teflon Don Trump for any violation whatsoever meaning that they will never get Trump on anything (if by "get" you require punishment, otherwise they "got" him for 34 state level felonies already).
SCOTUS likely only agreed he could be sentenced at all because his sentence was going to be literally nothing.
Except that Trump didn't do anything. Not only is he not president, he has not even paid any attention to Israel recently. It is all about Tariffs, his numerous court cases, illegal immigrants, recently Greenland and Panama and so. At least, when he is somewhat coherent instead of rambling about windmills stealing water or such nonsense.
The Dems used the funding to get to a half genocide
Without that, you get a full genocide
Pick your poison. How much of a genocide do you want?
And stop pretending there were any other choices. Eg. If you select the 'no funding' option, you have picked the second option. Bibi wants to kill every Palestinian and he does NOT need any US funding to do it. Look at Hitler, Saddam, Kim, Assad and the Ayatollah. If you remove funding or economic sanctions, they will just kill on killing. Giving a slap on the wrist for genocide does nothing to stop the genocide.
Yes, I know. You think this is a good thing. If someone else kills a population, it is not YOUR problem, and you do not have to feel guilty
There was very clearly a No Genocide option (even if none of us knew it at the time).
I'm just as shocked as everyone else that it ended up being Trump. But clearly there was a way to stop Israel that Biden/Harris couldn't (or far more likely wouldn't) do.
That case would be appealed and won by Trump anyway. No one else in the country would've been charged for that like Trump was.
Because without the US military protecting them Russia or China could invade. Land lasts longer than alliances.
By all accounts, this ceasefire has been the result of pressure from multiple parties: Turkey, Egypt, the Gulf states, Biden/Blinken's team and Trump/Witkoff's team.
The latter has scrambled to take sole credit, and only the credulous would take that at face value.
Denmark is in NATO. Even without the US, a trigger of article 5 would protect Denmark from Russia and even China quite handily.
This could have been done this entire time but Biden/Harris weren't willing to actually DO anything to Israel when they spit in our faces. How many fucking "RED LINES" did Biden give cause I distinctly remember at least two of them (and that was just in Public).
Biden and Harris could have stopped this at any point by turning off the faucet of weapons they were giving to Israel and they chose not to. Trump clearly did something to get their attention because Israel broke real fucking quick once Trump walked into the door and told them to accept the ceasefire or else.
Whether Trump deserves full credit or just some credit is frankly, something I don't give a flying fuck about. Because I know that if Harris won the election, we wouldn't be having a discussion about a ceasefire right now. We'll never know for sure of course because Biden and Harris love Israel more than they love The United States but the only thing that changed between July and now is that Trump blew in like the Chaos Tornado he is but he, for whatever his reasons, chose to do it for Good this go around instead of for Evil.
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I am actually going to split the line and say that it is in all likelihood a situation where Bibi just wanted Trump for whatever reason (right wing authoritarians like each other generally) and it really is a case of the ceasefire happening just because Biden lost, but that being said....
That plan hinges entirely on the idea that Biden would be a spineless cretin who would never apply any real pressure to Israel. Biden could have stopped this at any time, but AIPAC money is too good. And with that said, if Biden went along with letting Bibi sabotage him for Trump because of AIPAC money, it shows that the dems are so thoroughly whipped by outside money that they're useless and love it. As the kids would say, "massive cucks".
I doubt the EU could handle China's navy alone shortly. They cannot right now due to the lack of Chinese-friendly ports, but that's changing with China's increasingly friendly relations with various countries in Africa.
Also, a Trump or JD Vance could just say fuck it, China you get Taiwan, and We get Greenland. Or attack Greenland and Canada when the Eu is distracted with Russia, and China is invading Taiwan. The P2.
International allies are temporary, land once again lasts longer, and the idea of owning more land/once owning the land is permanent.
I have a slightly different take on the cease-fire. Firstly, there really isn’t as much Biden could have done legally that people want him to be able to do. The House of Representatives, not the President, sets spending in their bills. Once passed, those spending outlines are not really optional for the President to play around with. Also, much of what the U.S. is required to do is set by the Senate when they ratify treaties. So, when it came to money and arms, Biden was only legally able to slow walk supplies to Israel (which he actually did do) and does not really have the unilateral power to simply cut Israel off (even assuming he would be allowed to do so by the electorate, the Congress or the SCOTUS).
Secondly, Trump has already signaled to Bibi that he is going to let the Likud/Zionists have free reign and that the Palestinians don’t mean squat to him. After effectively telling the Palestinians that they don’t matter and Jerusalem is where the U.S. will put the embassy, putting full claim to the city into Israeli hands only. Plus, the remarks he and his family have made about how there’s great beach-front property that would be ready for development when Israel takes over. Trump likes strong-men like Bibi and I have no doubt that Bibi believes (probably correctly) that Trump’s assistance is probably for sale for the low low price of a Trump resort on the Mediterranean coast. After the current locals have all been forced out, of course.
Finally, it really doesn’t seem to out of character for Bibi to have sat on the potential cease-fire until he had obtained certain objectives and to lift one final middle finger to Biden as he leaves office.
I could be wrong. Goodness knows, I would probably sleep better at night if I knew I was wrong about stuff like this.
Secondly, Trump has already signaled to Bibi that he is going to let the Likud/Zionists have free reign and that the Palestinians don’t mean squat to him. After effectively telling the Palestinians that they don’t matter and Jerusalem is where the U.S. will put the embassy, putting full claim to the city into Israeli hands only. Plus, the remarks he and his family have made about how there’s great beach-front property that would be ready for development when Israel takes over. Trump likes strong-men like Bibi and I have no doubt that Bibi believes (probably correctly) that Trump’s assistance is probably for sale for the low low price of a Trump resort on the Mediterranean coast. After the current locals have all been forced out, of course.
Finally, it really doesn’t seem to out of character for Bibi to have sat on the potential cease-fire until he had obtained certain objectives and to lift one final middle finger to Biden as he leaves office.
I could be wrong. Goodness knows, I would probably sleep better at night if I knew I was wrong about stuff like this.
Increasing the financial and military support of a nation doing a genocide doesn't seem to be a great way of stopping them doing a genocide. Now, yes, they could do so without the US's help, but at a cost to their economy they'd not want to endure.
Biden has indeed mishandled Gaza and probably would have been able to stop it. He regularly threatened Israel and draw red lines, Israel always called his bluff and he always chickened out.
But that is still no reason to credit Trump for the current attempt at peacefire potentially working. Trump has done nothing.
But unfortunately now it seems the EU has to brainstorm how to handle the US navy instead which is more of a challenge.
But that is still no reason to credit Trump for the current attempt at peacefire potentially working. Trump has done nothing.
When the conflict happens near Greenland, it sure could. China doesn't have the kind of power projection and the EUs navies are not that small.
But unfortunately now it seems the EU has to brainstorm how to handle the US navy instead which is more of a challenge.
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