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So does anybody buy this excuse? I mean, anybody who isn't already in shoulder deep
No, I don't buy that excuse. But to be honest, that's partly because I didn't find the claim that it was a Nazi salute compelling in the first place.

If the story merely equates to "billionaire makes arm gesture that has some similarities to Nazi salute", then really we have better things to focus on.
 
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From the 'defending women' executive order:
(a) "Sex" shall refer to an individual's immutable biological classification as either male or female. "Sex" is not a synonym for and does not include the concept of "gender identity."

(b) "Women" or "woman" and "girls" or "girl" shall mean adult and juvenile human females, respectively.

(c) "Men" or "man" and "boys" or "boy" shall mean adult and juvenile human males, respectively.

(d) "Female" means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell.

(e) "Male" means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.
Congrats Americans, you are now all female by definition.

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Congrats Americans, you are now all female by definition.
Since neither sex produces reproductive cells at conception, I'm pretty sure Americans are asexual.

Unfortunately, that whole idea that fetuses are female by default isn't quite true, it's one of those things that gets simplified in order to make it easier to explain.

A zygote at conception has no gonadal cells at all. In fact, since it hasn't undergone genetic recombination yet it doesn't have a sex even on the genetic level. It has two separate nuclei containing the paternal and maternal halves of what will become its DNA. When it divides for the first time those separate DNA strands combine to form a new set of chromosomes, at which point you could determine sex by the presence of an SRY gene (or, if you were lazy and didn't mind being wrong, through the shape of the chromosomes during subsequent divisions).

At around one month a fetus grows ovitestes, which as the name suggests are organs that contain both testicular and ovarian tissue (since a person with ovitestes after birth would be referred to as intersexed, we might say that a fetus at this point is intersexed).

Gonadal sex determination only occurs around 3 months later, about half-way through pregnancy. This would be when a "female" fetus begins producing "large reproductive cells" (note that these are the people who constantly accuse everyone else of trying to change established language around sex and yet they either don't know or refuse to use the word "ovum").

"Small reproductive cells" aren't produced by anyone until puberty. So I guess prepubescent boys simply don't exist.

Honestly, the American judicial system is so fucked that whoever wrote this probably knew they didn't have to bother, their trained gimps on the supreme court will obediently interpret it to suit them. It's still going to be pretty funny when an intersexed person decides to challenge it though. Reality is less mutable than law.
 
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No, I don't buy that excuse. But to be honest, that's partly because I didn't find the claim that it was a Nazi salute compelling in the first place.

If the story merely equates to "billionaire makes arm gesture that has some similarities to Nazi salute", then really we have better things to focus on.
Also, it doesn't matter whether it was or wasn't, we already know Musk is.

Maybe this would've been worthy of attention 10 years ago, but now it really doesn't matter anymore. Being openly racist and fascistic (not to mention trying to commit a coup and being a convicted rapist) got a man elected President of the United States (again) - Thinking his best buddy and co-President doing a nazi salute would somehow change these people's minds... Calling this out means bupkis, they love when Musk or Trump does doesn't do this shit.
 

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The $700 is passed along in a full circle: the pbms and insurers pay the pharmacies who pay the distributors who pay the manufacturers who then rebate the money back to the pbms, a complete circuit where nobody makes anything. But the "higher cost" being paid means they make more money on "thin margins", (6% of 1000 is actually 20% of the actual 300) while also making it economically unviable to work around the insurance system.
That money is going somewhere.
 

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No, I don't buy that excuse. But to be honest, that's partly because I didn't find the claim that it was a Nazi salute compelling in the first place.

If the story merely equates to "billionaire makes arm gesture that has some similarities to Nazi salute", then really we have better things to focus on.
"Some"

Dude's already been dabbling in neo-nazi shit. I'm genuinely curious what would cross the line
 

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Congrats Americans, you are now all female by definition.
No, noone would be male or female because at the moment of conception you are one cell. You don't have the anatomy to potentially produce any kind of reproductive cell yet. Or really any anatomy at all.

I presume the argument would be that you belong to the sex that (once developed and barring illness or injury) would normally produce either the large or small gamete which I mean is not wrong for a large majority.

Honestly, the American judicial system is so fucked that whoever wrote this probably knew they didn't have to bother, their trained gimps on the supreme court will obediently interpret it to suit them. It's still going to be pretty funny when an intersexed person decides to challenge it though. Reality is less mutable than law.
I'd put odds on either an infertile person (do you cease to be a man legally if you're shooting blanks?) or someone XY with CAIS, since they'd be phenotypically female barring an imaging study of their gonads but have XY chromosomes with an SRY gene, technically have internal testes but not produce any reproductive cells and are highly likely to identify as a girl/woman (XY people with CAIS are less likely to be trans men than XX people without the disorder). It feels like the optimal degree of just violating whatever definition they want to use and spelling out that it's not quite that simple.
 

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No, noone would be male or female because at the moment of conception you are one cell. You don't have the anatomy to potentially produce any kind of reproductive cell yet. Or really any anatomy at all.

I presume the argument would be that you belong to the sex that (once developed and barring illness or injury) would normally produce either the large or small gamete which I mean is not wrong for a large majority.
Not how laws work, it's not an "argument". Per order from the President of the United States, the federal government considers you one of two sexes as defined from conception

The whole order is fucked, but it was just throwing red meat to the base by bullying a tenth of a percent of the population using the full might of the federal government anyway so it's integrity as an actual rule is irrelevant
 

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No, I don't buy that excuse. But to be honest, that's partly because I didn't find the claim that it was a Nazi salute compelling in the first place.

If the story merely equates to "billionaire makes arm gesture that has some similarities to Nazi salute", then really we have better things to focus on.
Actual Nazis seemed to think it was.


The response from the neo-Nazi community across the globe was instant and unanimous.
“Incredible things are happening already,” Andrew Torba, the founder of Gab, a social media platform popular with antisemites and white supremacists, wrote over a picture of Musk giving the salute...
“WE ARE FUCKING BACK,” the administrator of a Nazi meme channel on Telegram wrote under a clip of Musk giving the salute. Members of the group responded with the lightning bolt emoji, a well-known neo-Nazi reference to the SS..
Keith Woods, a prominent far-right influencer from Ireland who has repeatedly praised Musk, responded to the actions by writing on X:
“OK maybe woke really is dead.”
Evan Kilgore, a right-wing political commentator, wrote on X: “Holy crap … did Elon Musk just Heil Hitler at the Trump Inauguration Rally in Washington DC … This is incredible.” Kilgore later wrote:
“We are so back...”
 

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When a priest asking for christian charity is considered a thought crime. These fucks are just so proudly evil and against the whole concept of democracy it's insane.



Rep. Mike Collins (R-Ga.) heavily criticized statements made by the Right Rev. Mariann Budde on Tuesday at the inaugural prayer service held for President Trump.

“The person giving this sermon should be added to the deportation list,” Collins wrote in a post on X with a clip of Budde’s comments.

Collins’s statement comes after Trump’s promise to carry out the largest deportation in the country’s history.
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During the service, Budde begged for mercy over communities likely to be impacted by Trump’s new policies.

Budde said although illegal immigrants are now facing heightened deportation measures, members of the demographic are “good neighbors.”


“They may not be citizens or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals. They pay taxes and are good neighbors,” she declared.

“They are faithful members of our churches and mosques, synagogues and temples.”

She also highlighted the LGBTQ community earlier in her speech.
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“In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now. There are gay, lesbian and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives,” Budde stated.

Later in the day, President Trump raised issues with the message.

“Not too exciting, was it? I didn’t think it was a good service, no. Thank you very much. They can do, they can do much better,” he told reporters.
 

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When a priest asking for christian charity is considered a thought crime. These fucks are just so proudly evil and against the whole concept of democracy it's insane.



Rep. Mike Collins (R-Ga.) heavily criticized statements made by the Right Rev. Mariann Budde on Tuesday at the inaugural prayer service held for President Trump.

“The person giving this sermon should be added to the deportation list,” Collins wrote in a post on X with a clip of Budde’s comments.

Collins’s statement comes after Trump’s promise to carry out the largest deportation in the country’s history.
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During the service, Budde begged for mercy over communities likely to be impacted by Trump’s new policies.

Budde said although illegal immigrants are now facing heightened deportation measures, members of the demographic are “good neighbors.”


“They may not be citizens or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals. They pay taxes and are good neighbors,” she declared.

“They are faithful members of our churches and mosques, synagogues and temples.”

She also highlighted the LGBTQ community earlier in her speech.
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“In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now. There are gay, lesbian and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives,” Budde stated.

Later in the day, President Trump raised issues with the message.

“Not too exciting, was it? I didn’t think it was a good service, no. Thank you very much. They can do, they can do much better,” he told reporters.
Could you imagine if the ones stepping up against christian nationalists were Christians with an actual good heart? Yeah, probably won't happen, but seeing just one speak it right to Trump's face without the oppertunity for him to say anything back was a proper boost to ones morale.
 

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Also, it doesn't matter whether it was or wasn't, we already know Musk is.
Yes.

Honestly, my main concern is that given Trump's blitz of executive orders with all their consequences, concentrating on some rich man's dubious gesturing seems to be missing the point.

Actual Nazis seemed to think it was.
Actual neo-Nazis are not credible sources, given that they are pathetic (if dangerous) degenerates desperate for any attention and validation they can get.
 

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Actual neo-Nazis are not credible sources, given that they are pathetic (if dangerous) degenerates desperate for any attention and validation they can get.
Given that they are now running the American government their lack of credibility matters little.
 
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When a priest asking for christian charity is considered a thought crime.
There is no such thing as charity without truth. It is not charitable to validate people who fear for their lives when there is no threat against them. It is not charitable to defend a criminal with false pretenses. If you require lies to perform kindness, you aren't being kind, you're just being performative.
Given that they are now running the American government their lack of credibility matters little.
They aren't running the American government, and all of you are working overtime trying to empower neonazis. You are so determined to demonize your enemies, you don't hesitate to normalize the demons. If it actually bothered you that neo-nazis were excited about Musk, you'd seek to disconnect the two, you might call for Musk to clarify his intentions and apologize for the misunderstanding and condemn those who would be excited by such a thing.

That you are insistent that he was actually acting as a nazi shows that it doesn't bother you that neo-nazis were excited, you're happy that they were, you want that avenue to attack Musk and you want it to stick around. This is what extremists have done since the advent of nazism, they deliberately elevate the opposite extreme as a pretense to attack the middle, even at the risk of empowering the opposite extreme all the way to the Holocaust.