The administration is already ignoring lots of court orders. And is getting away with it.
So it doesn't really matter anymore, what power the president has on paper, in practice Trump can do whatever he wants.
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So it doesn't really matter anymore, what power the president has on paper, in practice Trump can do whatever he wants.
To be fair I don't think her statement was a suggestion of backyard farming as a solution to the issue. She said it was a 'silver lining'-- I think she was identifying something that she'd seen some people do, and trying to find a positive. Which is quite typical spin, though tone-deaf given the high cost.
But specifically in response to your B point-- egg prices have risen in part due to avian influenza & the subsequent culling. Encouraging amateurs around the country to start keeping chickens in their gardens, low-expertise and zero-regulation, is a recipe to spread avian influenza further and wider and faster. It would exacerbate the very problem causing egg prices to spike.
Don't be so absurd, you don't even believe that yourself. You know perfectly well that politicians don't directly answer in those sorts of straightforward and logical ways. This backyard chickens stuff is waffle - filling the space with noise as if there's some sort of thought or answer. She's not planning to make it easier, she's not expecting it to take off and bring egg prices down, she doesn't care whether more people do it.
The US government does seem to have a genuine plan for reducing the cost of eggs: importing more and deregulating industry. That is the beginning and the end of its answer to the USA's egg price problem: boring, practical answers to real problems. The US government literally could not give a shit about backyard chickens in any sense whatsoever: that's just patronising and pretentious TV drivel, and you know it as well as I do.
I do not see the logic in thinking more dispersed animals would spread this disease faster. There are other health issues one might worry about with unregulated amateur agriculture, but the spread of avian flu is not among them.
You started with all the reasons this is a terrible solution, and now you get slightly more info and are instead telling me that you know there are other things going on and it was never an intended solution to begin with...
I feel like there should be an "I guess I was wrong" somewhere between those two arguments, but you seem content to just maintain your level of criticism even if the reasoning is completely different. Perhaps you decided to criticize first and now you're rationalizing why you were right to do so.
Yeah pretty much is the current consensus from those who observed from the earliest days, and apparently from sly ole Cullen Hoback who did the 'Q: Into the Storm' doc before shit hit the fan so managed to get pretty close to the Watkins (for some reason isn't made available in my country yet, leaving only whatever interviews/articles him and Fredrick Brennan' have given since for me to extrapolate from) - a lot of that nuance is usually omitted whenever it's brought up nowadays, I assume in some cases for brevity, especially under character limitations of the popular social medias. But in other cases yeah there's no doubt a chunk of people not aware of the hazy beginnings and the switcheroo.
Sure, I explained that it was a patronising non-solution, and then followed that up by saying it was a patronising non-solution again, albeit in a slightly different way.
It takes someone like you to turn that into an inconsistency.
The level of dispersal isn't what i'm flagging. In farming there are protections in place to identify, isolate & eliminate avian flu when it crops up, and to protect handlers. None of which will be in place for thousands of individual amateur keepers around the country.
Wide, sparser distribution may slow the spread of the disease. But it won't halt it-- and then when it crops up, there'll be nothing in place to track it, protect the handlers, isolate it. Then there's the interaction with wild birds.
Does she have no conception of what she's saying, or was it was it patronizing? Patronizing is certainly a crime of intent, sort of hard to accuse someone or being oblivious and willfully deceptive at the same time.
Not that it really matters, since you now know that was a fraction of what was suggested, was not a personal recommendation to poor people, and all of your criticisms have fallen entirely to pieces. You being self-contradictory is just gravy.
I find that you are regularly patronising. Does mean your oblivious? Deceptive? Doing a crime of intent?
I mean, I suggest we look up how Mao did with a similar issue
I genuinely worry about you specifically. Your responses keep getting worse over time, and I hope you aren't falling to pieces on the other side of the internet.
Trump has reportedly told his cabinet that Musk has no authority to fire Federal employees.
www.forbes.com
So what the fuck's he been doing for the past few weeks?
Musk Can’t Fire Employees, Trump Reportedly Tells Cabinet Secretaries. Here’s Likely Why He’s Saying This.
The Trump administration has drawn scrutiny in court for trying to distance Elon Musk from the government’s actions, even as the president has publicly claimed otherwise.
www.forbes.com
So what the fuck's he been doing for the past few weeks?
Making recommendations to department leaders that do have that authority.
The workers were fired by DOGE, which is in a quantum state of being/not being led by President Musk.
Schrodinger's Musk. He is both in charge and not in charge of DOGE.
DOGE can't directly fire anyone outside of their own department. Everyone who has been let go has been let go by their own department or agency. And those have to be done within the existing framework for hiring and firing. This is why its been a lot of probationary employees, not because they are suspected of being extra bad, but because the rules allows them to be fired much easier.
The basic function that you have on this board is to defend, trivialise, or pretend doesn't exist whatever idiocy, criminality, or incompetence that ever comes out of the Republican party, no matter how idiotic, criminal or incompetent is actually is.
If you hadn't spent so long excusing the inexcusable, this sort of idle barking might have some bite.
It is not unreasonable to say DOGE has been firing government workers if department leaders have been firing workers at Musk/DOGE's say-so. Not least because it is possible that department leaders may have believed that they were expected or even required to do as Musk/DOGE instructed.
If it wasn't me you were talking to, would you admit the Secretary of Agriculture was being reasonable? Do you still think it was a "let them eat cake" moment?
That is not unreasonable to short-cut that way, true. But I have answered The Rogue Wolf's questions.
I don't so much think she was being unreasonable as irrelevant and tasteless.
Let me explain: if you want to talk about her gushing over people breeding their own chickens... well, who's doing that? She's a rich, upper - upper middle class woman, and people of her class do love their little projects which they have time, money, energy and potentially paid staff to put into... is she actually talking about the families of people she socialises with regularly? At best I can imagine some rural poor with land might keep chickens, and be inclined to do so more if egg prices soar, but that's still a small minority of the population. And when you shake all this out, strikes me we may as well be listening to Gwyneth Paltrow suggesting women shove a $1000 jade egg up their crotch to improve their energy balance, and we can expect better from politicians whose job it is to use their power to fix societal problems.
Sounds to me like now you've named multiple distinct segments of the population that might be the subject of your description, yet you continue to view it as advice to those who can't.