US 2024 Presidential Election

Trunkage

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I do not have have anyone on here set to ignore, but you are the one user I consider. I enjoy reasonable arguments, I also enjoy unreasonable arguments, but there is a chaos in your thinking specifically that saddens me, that makes it really feel like it would be unkind to torture you any further.
I'm just following the rules you set out. If you don't like them, you change them
 

Agema

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I know its Trump and that this ship has sailed years ago, but isn't the president abusing his position to advertise commercial products illegal? Yet I could swear I see him do sales pitches for Elon's Swasticars.
Basically, no.

It is pretty clear by now that the only meaningful action that can be taken against a sitting president is impeachment. Therefore, the president has not only absolute immunity for any crime that falls within his duties, but temporary immunity from prosecution for any crime that falls outside his duties.

What Trump is demonstrating to us is there are no standards, no regulations, no expectations of conduct, no requirement for oversight, etc. All the president needs to do is keep the legislature on-side, and he does what he pleases.
 
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It is pretty clear by now that the only meaningful action that can be taken against a sitting president is impeachment. Therefore, the president has not only absolute immunity for any crime that falls within his duties, but temporary immunity from prosecution for any crime that falls outside his duties.
That has ALWAYS been the case...
 

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We have the Nixon example as proof, he didn't even get arrested.
Poor Nixon must be rolling in his grave about what Trump could get away with while his presidency died for far less. I've always wondered if Nixon being of humble origins rather than an aristocrat played a part in the Republicans not closing ranks like they do with Trump.
 

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why doesn't he wear a suit still, disrespecting the house of big bois




he's been a very fraudy boy trying to scam the Canadian government out of more money cos they announced a rebate scheme was ending soon, leading to a wild mysterious spike in car sales at 4 tesla dealerships in one weekend, including 1200 on Jan 11th in one day

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the relevant start is around 4 minutes in for Canadian fraud

now, about that "government waste, fraud and abuse" again...
 

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Poor Nixon must be rolling in his grave about what Trump could get away with while his presidency died for far less. I've always wondered if Nixon being of humble origins rather than an aristocrat played a part in the Republicans not closing ranks like they do with Trump.
You're just making up stuff, Trump hasn't done anything near egregiously illegal as Nixon.
 

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The technical truth that Hitler didn't physically do the murdering is the logic of an immature teenager less clever than he thinks he is, and no more need be said about it.

What's more interesting is to consider the point that, in the end, the sole reason those public sector workers killed millions is because their leader told them to. Whilst you are digesting that, consider the unprecedented drive of the Trump administration to demand the utter compliance and obedience of public sector workers...
 

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Man, he managed to piss of Leftists (not exactly hard given how shitty Democrats are) but he has managed to piss off all the talking head VBNMW Democrats too!
 
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Man, he managed to piss of Leftists (not exactly hard given how shitty Democrats are) but he has managed to piss off all the talking head VBNMW Democrats too!
In some defence of Schumer, whilst I'm not 100% sure on this, historically when there's been a shutdown, it tends to be Congress that has taken the blame and loss of public approval more than the president has. As the ones doing the blocking, this would mean the Democrats taking the hit. One might also argue that if Trump is presiding over a shitshow that will ultimately damage the reputation of him and his party, the saying "Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake" applies.

However, the Democrats also need to take into account the fact that... they're kind of drippy losers. They seem like people who just don't comprehend just how far events have moved past them. Like when the House moved to censure that guy who heckled Trump, and 10 Democrat idiots decided to support the motion. They said things like "Rule based order, got to stand for doing things properly, blah blah blah" but they don't seem to realise that their opponents not only couldn't give a shit about the rules, bipartisanship and all that jazz, but also won the elections. They need to start fighting rather than protesting that this isn't what the rulebook says, because the rulebook doesn't seem to much matter anymore.
 

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However, the Democrats also need to take into account the fact that... they're kind of drippy losers. They seem like people who just don't comprehend just how far events have moved past them. Like when the House moved to censure that guy who heckled Trump, and 10 Democrat idiots decided to support the motion. They said things like "Rule based order, got to stand for doing things properly, blah blah blah" but they don't seem to realise that their opponents not only couldn't give a shit about the rules, bipartisanship and all that jazz, but also won the elections. They need to start fighting rather than protesting that this isn't what the rulebook says, because the rulebook doesn't seem to much matter anymore.
I dunno how much blame the party causing the shutdown gets tbh, republican never really lost much shine because of it.

More importantly, whether or not there even is a next election is really up in the air at the moment. The GOP/Trump realise they can get away with anything because of how passive the dem/court are, whats the point of decorum then? They need to start acting like republican at this point and push the rule to their breaking point every chance they get.
 
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They need to start fighting rather than protesting that this isn't what the rulebook says, because the rulebook doesn't seem to much matter anymore.
More importantly, whether or not there even is a next election is really up in the air at the moment. The GOP/Trump realise they can get away with anything because of how passive the dem/court are, whats the point of decorum then? They need to start acting like republican at this point and push the rule to their breaking point every chance they get.
Republicans were right all along, they really are cucks.
I really don't know what world you all live in. The bill that passed is like 99.9% "just keep doing the same things as last year", with cuts to things that won't be the same as last year (e.g. $800 million earmarked for a specific building project isn't an annual expense, $40 million for extra election security isn't needed in an odd numbered year, etc). Democrats biggest complaint is that it's not a real budget bill, so it hasn't gone through a full debate process. Reminder to those who may not always be aware of US Senate rules, an annual budget bill is typically the one bill a year that can't be filibustered, Republicans 100% have the power if they so chose to rush out whatever budget they wanted, and with the presidency and a majority in both houses, Democrats would be actually powerless to stop it.

The continuing resolution voluntarily ceded power to Democrats, offering to keep things basically exactly the same, and asking politely for their approval to do so. Schumer's mistake was threatening to vote against it in the first place.
 

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I really don't know what world you all live in. The bill that passed is like 99.9% "just keep doing the same things as last year" [...]
That's somewhat the problem. The main point of contention is the extention of the 2017 tax cuts, which enormously benefit the ultra-wealthy over ordinary earners, while inevitably requiring steep spending cuts in the future (or ballooning deficit) to pay for.

Accompanied by a 13bn cut to non-defence spending.