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I feel unease at the prospect of feeling joy at someone passing.
To quote Clarence Darrow: "I have never wished a man dead. However, I have read many an obituary with pleasure."

ETA: Plus, there is a certain dark humor to the fact that he died exactly ten years after his racist rant was leaked.
 
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Why would people be normally getting myocarditis after a vaccine? How is that normal/expected?
It has already been pointed out to you that the expected rate in the general population ranges up to 1,000 per million. Even if the vaccine had absolutely no effect on the heart whatsoever, an average of 1,000 vaccine recipients per million could be expected to have or develop myocarditis.

Your numbers are all wrong. There were 234,000 hospitalizations for people under 18 (from Fall 2020 to Spring 2024), which might not be DUE to covid, but I'll ignore that. There are 74 million people under the age of 18 in the US. Thus, that is 0.3% in that group hospitalized for covid, not 1%.
Jesus Christ. You just gave two stats that aren't limited whatsoever to covid, and then tried to extrapolate a conclusion about covid from them alone.

You have to look at covid-related hospital admissions, and recorded covid cases in the same group over the same period. Since that's what we're actually trying to ascertain.

 
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We'll see, but I doubt it.



Collective Shout are greedy assholes hiding behind "da children".


 

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Certain subgroups do get more overall harms from the vaccine than infection.
Ah, no

This is like homeopathy. The vaccine is a lesser form of the disease. If you are getting damaged by the vaccine, it would have been worse if you got Covid first.

Eg. All those young men geting myocarditis from the vaccine would absolutely have got it if the got Covid. Not only that, for every person who got myocarditis from the vaccine, there would be about 37 people who would have got it from Covid if there was no vaccine

The myocarditis did not come out of think air. It's a response to getting covid, whether through the vaccine or raw dogging it

(In 2021, I was more worried about mRNA vaccines as they were unproven at the time. I was wrong, and the old style of vaccines I can see is more dangerous. That does not mean that they were anywhere near as dangerous as getting Covid. And now those vaccines have been removed from the market as the were worse ONCE THE DATA CAME IN.)

There are risk benefit analyses out there demonstrating that. The fact that the flu is more dangerous to kids than covid shows kids' lives shouldn't have been interrupted at all. If you think (and society in fact does think this) the flu is not high enough risk to interrupt kids' lives or force a flu shot, then covid is definitely not high enough risk to do that either. Also, most kids already had had covid before their vaccine was approved so there was literally no benefit that vaccine was giving them and only possible harms.
Covid killed over 500k per year before the vaccines. The flu kills about 70k

Covid killed about 2k children per year before their vaccines. The flu kills about 200 a year. WITH the vaccine, Covid is kiling tens of kids per year

You're risk assessments/ cost benefit analyses are wrong because you are using wrong data.

Stop killing kids just because you are scared of masks.
 
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I don't. Some people were bad, made the world a worse place and we're better off without them. I think acting as if it were otherwise would be hypocritical.
While Hogan wasn't nice, he was just the front for Peter Thiel to be used as a vengeance wrecking ball

It would be like blaming the pilots bombing Cambodia etc for the decision of Nixon and Kissinger. Some of those pilots probably weren't nice but they were just told they were doing the right thing
 

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While Hogan wasn't nice, he was just the front for Peter Thiel to be used as a vengeance wrecking ball

It would be like blaming the pilots bombing Cambodia etc for the decision of Nixon and Kissinger. Some of those pilots probably weren't nice but they were just told they were doing the right thing
Just following orders?

I mean, yeah, most people who are just following orders don't actually need to end up using it (or anything) as a defense, but if it gets to that stage they are in trouble.
 
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This is like homeopathy. The vaccine is a lesser form of the disease. If you are getting damaged by the vaccine, it would have been worse if you got Covid first.
This is not true for Covid vaccine, or I think most more newly-developed vaccines.

In order to sensitise the body against a pathogen, we just need to dump into the body some of the proteins on the surface of the pathogen. If the immune system learns to recognise those proteins as foreign, they'll attack anything with those proteins on, thus the virus. In the old days, lacking our modern biotechnology, this was commonly attenuated or dead viruses. The proteins can be recognised, but the carrier is much less harmful.

With modern molecular biological techniques, it is relatively trivial to identify the proteins of a pathogen, and then genetically modify a safe carrier to express one or more of target proteins. Traditionally this vehicle would be a safe carrier virus (e.g. an adenovirus): the newer mRNA vaccines are very similar in concept to this, but more stripped-down (basically just an mRNA, or protein-printing instruction, in a simpler, lipid nanoparticle).

Although vaccines should be safe in the sense that they are not active, dangerous viruses, they should generate an immune response. This may cause someone to feel generally crappy in several ways, or cause some specific inflammation ("-itis") in places which can be a health concern. It is not necessarily true that if someone had an adverse reaction to the vaccine, they would have had an adverse reaction to infection with the virus. There are a lot of variables involved.

It's also not like homeopathy. Homeopathy is diluting a substance until there's effectively none of it left in the vehicle solution (presumably with the idea that the water sort of "remembers" the chemical). Vaccines actually need a substantial dose of stuff delivered.
 

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I feel unease at the prospect of feeling joy at someone passing.
I would too if it were just any regular working class someone. But if they've lived a long life filled with ridiculous wealth, and being a racist piece of shit to boot... yeah no, bring out the sparklers.
 
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Just following orders?

I mean, yeah, most people who are just following orders don't actually need to end up using it (or anything) as a defense, but if it gets to that stage they are in trouble.
I probably guess that 90% of the people at the rally on Jan 6 didn't do anything illegal. They were following orders

They were also being used as a smoke screen for something nefarious. It's this sort of following orders

That doesn't make him a nice person. Just a useful idiot to cover for someone else getting vengence
 

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This is not true for Covid vaccine, or I think most more newly-developed vaccines.

In order to sensitise the body against a pathogen, we just need to dump into the body some of the proteins on the surface of the pathogen. If the immune system learns to recognise those proteins as foreign, they'll attack anything with those proteins on, thus the virus. In the old days, lacking our modern biotechnology, this was commonly attenuated or dead viruses. The proteins can be recognised, but the carrier is much less harmful.

With modern molecular biological techniques, it is relatively trivial to identify the proteins of a pathogen, and then genetically modify a safe carrier to express one or more of target proteins. Traditionally this vehicle would be a safe carrier virus (e.g. an adenovirus): the newer mRNA vaccines are very similar in concept to this, but more stripped-down (basically just an mRNA, or protein-printing instruction, in a simpler, lipid nanoparticle).

Although vaccines should be safe in the sense that they are not active, dangerous viruses, they should generate an immune response. This may cause someone to feel generally crappy in several ways, or cause some specific inflammation ("-itis") in places which can be a health concern. It is not necessarily true that if someone had an adverse reaction to the vaccine, they would have had an adverse reaction to infection with the virus. There are a lot of variables involved.

It's also not like homeopathy. Homeopathy is diluting a substance until there's effectively none of it left in the vehicle solution (presumably with the idea that the water sort of "remembers" the chemical). Vaccines actually need a substantial dose of stuff delivered.
I was trying to speak in Phoenixish

He clearly thinks that remedies that go against data are way safer than the vaccine. I was making the claim that the vaccine was like these remedies, a reduced form of the disease to incite the response (despite homeopathy not achieving this goal)

Sorry for making the comparison. Vaccines are 1. way safer than most homeopathies 2. Actually effective