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Yes, but it's a narrower case than you might think.

A vaccine, even an mRNA vaccine, is a foreign material that invades the body, provokes an immune response that (frequently) will make someone feel a bit ill. If that's not infection, it's extraordinarily similar. In practice, infectious diseases is caused by a pathogen (or its toxins), and a pathogen is understood to be something like a virus, bacterium, parasite, fungus, etc., with an idea that the pathogen could be transferred between hosts and replicate in the next, thus the illness transmitted. That might rule out many or all vaccines.

It's also just incredibly unhelpful and confusing to say that someone is "infected" by a vaccine. Although I am sure it's a way of putting it that the anti-vax community might love the idea of, because it's liable to scare people off vaccines. Potentially of course they deliberately play on this.
I'm pretty sure calling it 'infected by a vaccine' is a deliberate choice
 

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Actually no, I didn't. Anyway. Doesn't matter.



Using a different stat =/= "can't do maths", any more than it does for you. But this is irrelevant; even yours shows 11x more likely, as you say. So there's no set of numbers that make myocarditis from the vaccine a greater risk.



Buddy, all of these numbers are rough estimations. Mine may be an overestimate; yours is just as likely an underestimate. This is irrelevant, because none of them result in a total lower than 0.0005%.



And unlike yourself, I read it. Stop digging for individual sections to rob of context, and read it. Immunity wanes. Its not ambiguous.



.... it seems you've forgotten what we were arguing, yet again.
I literally quoted you being wrong. Of course, it doesn't matter when you're wrong.

My number literally can't be an overestimate if you understand math. If 8% or lower of hospitalized adolescents had severe covid, then your number is lower. That is very possible.

You can't give me a study where the average age was over 70 and then claim immunity wanes when I claimed non-vulnerable people don't need boosters and more covid shots. You get covid or you get the vaccine, you don't need anything else for normal people.
 

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My number literally can't be an overestimate if you understand math.
I'd be fascinated to find out how on earth you've come to this conclusion.

How exactly does "understanding maths" prove that 0.3% cannot be an underestimate? Considering there will be cases that weren't hospitalised, or weren't confirmed; and considering you calculated it as a percentage of the entire population, whether or not they even had covid during the observation period-- both aspects that could easily lead to underestimation.

You can't give me a study where the average age was over 70 and then claim immunity wanes when I claimed non-vulnerable people don't need boosters and more covid shots. You get covid or you get the vaccine, you don't need anything else for normal people.
You didn't limit your claim to merely what people "need". That's a subjective value judgement. Even if immunity wanes, a person could reasonably conclude that boosters aren't necessary, based on low risk.

Whereas you indicated that immunity simply doesn't wane for certain groups. There's zero basis for that. Paul Offit never said anything of the kind. The study directly contradicts it.
 

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A vaccine, even an mRNA vaccine, is a foreign material that invades the body, provokes an immune response that (frequently) will make someone feel a bit ill. If that's not infection, it's extraordinarily similar.
A quibble, but can you trigger an immune response with a chemical, rather than a biological?
 

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shapiro coming out with hot journalistic scoops like "Taylor swift is overexposed" is if it had any value to anyone, is, uh heartwarming, really - the last gasp of an oil-funded licklespit confronting their own irrelevance now they're no longer useful to the billionaire class. Would love to mock his annoying voice but he's so uniquely irritating a speaker that even trying to impersonate it makes me wanna seppukub with the shards of a recently shattered mirror




Oh Eric. Or Adams? Two first names for a full name is always suss 👀






the guy publicly cosying up to white supremacists in publicly available interviews can't stop making defamatory claims about leftists... someone should make an organisation to fight against that sort of behaviour or something?
 
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A quibble, but can you trigger an immune response with a chemical, rather than a biological?
Since literally everything is made of chemicals, wouldn't all immune responses technically be chemically triggered
 

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We currently have a right wing government so stable it managed to fall two times over. Wilders of course betrayed his partners and brought down the government, and now Saint Omzight's party left, surprisingly enough because the coalition isn't harsh enough on Israel. That's actually really surprising for the conservative slinter faction of the Christian Democrats.

On more tragic news we have a refugee committing two murders on woman and the far right being disgusting vultures about it. The Andrew Tate loving, rapist in the White house supporters who vote against protections for woman suddenly promote themselves as the people ''wanting to keep our daughters safe''.
 

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Since literally everything is made of chemicals, wouldn't all immune responses technically be chemically triggered
I expect he's asking whether inorganic materials can provoke an immune response.

To which the answer is yes, although RNA is organic.
 
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On more tragic news we have a refugee committing two murders on woman and the far right being disgusting vultures about it. The Andrew Tate loving, rapist in the White house supporters who vote against protections for woman suddenly promote themselves as the people ''wanting to keep our daughters safe''.
So far though the media has kept its eye on the ball and has not engaged with the refugee smearing. So far.
 

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the girly pops and boyly pops are lairing off at each other - someone opened the free bar too early again
Conflict! Drama! Betrayal! Insults! Accusations! We wade into every strata of right wing summer fights. From congresspeople all the way down to Q influencers, everyone is mad as hell. Liv Agar is back too! Maybe the cattiest and messiest episode of QAA.
Full version might be seen/heard below if someone who definitely isn't me done things right
 
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Cons do love their red meat
It's funny. I saw them once in a Walmart, immediately bought one, and it tasted pretty good. And it was cheaper. My only complaint is that they either sold out or, more likely, didn't stock more due to less demand. It's literally just tofu. You would think MAGA would want to support soybean farmers.
 
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It's funny. I saw them once in a Walmart, immediately bought one, and it tasted pretty good. And it was cheaper. My only complaint is that they either sold out or, more likely, didn't stock more due to less demand. It's literally just tofu. You would think MAGA would want to support soybean farmers.
I assume like the hard tofu. I hate the texture of soft tofu and cant imagine it would be a good replacement