Emphasis on the 'little' in 'always a little bit different'. Pure procgen can easily end up feeling as artificial as limited bespoke rooms once you learn how the algorithm works. I guess it depends on sub-genre and intent, but I never had a problem with Hades's rooms.
Except not really, most roguelikes tend to use premade rooms, Binding of Issac used Premade rooms, Rogue Legacy used premade rooms, Deadcells used premade rooms. The ones that try and do the open world thing will randomly generate worlds, but most that have a beginning middle end tend to use premade rooms.
Yeah, but I said "really great roguelike." BoI is pretty good, but Deadcells kind of sucks, and Rogue Legacy isn't a roguelike. Nethack, Noita, and Spelunky all use proc gen and are better for it. The last thing I want in a game I'm going to be playing hundreds of times is to see the same rooms again and again until I know them by heart. Proc gen adds an element of exploration that helps keep the game fresh, because while you may have seen similar areas before, you've never seen this exact one and there might be something really cool in it. This is something that a lot of modern roguelites have really lost their way on because really good proc gen is hard to do and it's a lot easier to make a handful of rooms and just randomize their order.
After a long enough period of time, you'll still run out of entirely new and really cool things to see, and you'll definitely feel like you've seen that exact one before even if you technically haven't.
On the other hand, learning the limited probability space allows you to better prepare for what might be coming up. Slay the Spire's a great example, where knowing what hallway fights are still in the pool because there's only 14 per act instead of relying on procgen to pick enemies lets you make long-term decisions when drafting cards. It also gives you enough different ways to approach those fights that the same fight can feel totally different, as opposed to only having one way to clear infinite slightly different rooms until they all begin to feel the same.
So you didn't like the first game but you paid full price for the sequel upon release?
Rogue Legacy is much more Roguelike then Noita, which is a roguelite. Procgen is a solution that makes generic levels and areas, it can work great if the level design doesn't really matter.
If the proc gen is good enough, there should always be the possibility that it will spit out something that you've never seen before. That's the ideal I'd like to see games achieve one day.
See that's the boring thing, It's much more interesting to have to react on the fly because you never actually know what's around the next corner. I'm sure part of our difference is that the current roguelike umbrella is so big as to be meaningless and most people haven't actually played a classic roguelike. I generally tend to prefer exploration based roguelikes to the 'defeat sequential rooms of enemies' style of game that has infested the genre. That's not to say that Hades is a bad game, because it was good and I liked it. But it was good for its story and themeing, not for its roguelike elements in particular which didn't push the genre in any particularily meaningful way.
Rogue Legacy banks so heavily on its meta progression system that you basically cannot win your first run or even first dozen runs of a new file unless you are ludicrously skilled at the game. Conversely, you are basically guaranteed to win if you do enough runs due to the slow accumulation of power. This is so antithetical to the permadeath mechanics of a roguelike that I cannot consider it one. Noita on the other hand can be won on the first run, there is almost no meta progression system outside of spell unlocks. It also bears a number of other essential roguelike traits like:
Come on dude, where did I say I didn't like the game lol. It just wasn't as peak in the couple of areas mentioned as everything they done before
Too late to edit, but I should've made clearer, I been a fan of the developers work since their first Bastion and would buy a sequel they made even if I didn't like the original. Certified ride or die right here! Their art and music is something special
You should really use it more, those magic attacks are very powerful and you get full mana after each room, plus there are lots ways to have mana regen. There are even powerups that make cast time faster and they can be 100% worth it.
Most of them are much better then you give them credit for, especially once you power them up.
The charge attack are powerful, but they just take too long to charge, so the DPS isn't much better vs just attacking during that time, plus you're slow while charging, but mana is never an issue. Honestly I think mana should be much harder to recharge but the charge attack should hit much harder too. The only one I like is the dagger for gap closing and the fire stick, since they're just use as part of the regular attack.
There might’ve been people in those cars who got hurt or killed too. WTF Batman? I’ve only play through Asylum and City, but can agree it’s a huge missed opportunity never implementing a more dynamic gameplay mechanic for saving/protecting the people of Gotham. Instead they poured most of their time and resources into scripted missions and making the surface level stuff look really good.
Right, they had four games (Well, Asylum had only the asylum.) to offer dynamic civilian encounters, but only ever filled the streets with criminals. It's another reason it bothers me when people say they want another Arkham game or it's time for another, as if Batman games can only be what is rigidly implied by the name "Arkham." Even saw someone say on Steam recently that they should do a Beyond Arkham game. So, what, Terry McGinnis will battle criminals in an evacuated futuristic Gotham City? They can't separate Arkham from Batman because they've only ever known 3D Batman games by the Arkham formula.
The flame one is part of the regular combo almost, the axe one is great for when you just really want something to be dead and the skull one is just good for doing a nice chunk of damage.
Haven't tried the minion one yet but so far all the ones I have are pretty good, aside from the fling yourself at an area one, but I also might just not have understood that one. Transformation one probably gets awesome with upgrades, the massive crash one certainly does, the heal one is also really good and helped me get my first win. With upgrades the massive crash aoe is huge and it hits twice for like 1500.
