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Do you know one thing I kind of love Trump for?

It's summoning a load of billionaires and then metaphorically making them sit, lie down, fetch and lick his hand on command. Hey guys, that's how much power the US government actually has, how it can corral these pricks into subservience.

I mean, sure, Trump then goes and ruins it by doing it all for his own amusement and gratification and self-enrichment rather than national (or international) good. But he's made absolutely unavoidable this realisation that... presidents could have done this all along. They've always been able to rein these arseholes in.

Still waiting for him to try that with the yahoo guy though. Never will happen; at least not beyond lip service (no pun).
 
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The military does not like Trump and has 0 respect for him. They are truly disciplined. Defend the constitution, and not the one man in power.
I'm not sure I'd want to test that too hard.

The US military leans right by somewhere around 3:2 - 2:1 according to studies. I suspect the higher ranks think Trump is a buffoon and Hegseth a vacuous, posturing blowhard, but that also doesn't mean they didn't go into a voting booth in 2024 and stick an X next to Trump's name anyway.
 
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Still waiting for him to try that with the yahoo guy though.
Yes, but Trump wants to subjugate the big tech that matter, not the has-beens that don't. Yahoo hasn't been relevant for about 10 years.
 

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I'm not sure I'd want to test that too hard.

The US military leans right by somewhere around 3:2 - 2:1 according to studies. I suspect the higher ranks think Trump is a buffoon and Hegseth a vacuous, posturing blowhard, but that also doesn't mean they didn't go into a voting booth in 2024 and stick an X next to Trump's name anyway.
And, there's a reason why "just following orders" is specifically not a defence, lots of people will just follow orders. Most of the unconstitutional orders will be in a bit of a grey zone, anyway, even if that zone jeeps moving.

Not to mention, the military is doing quite a bit of dodgy stuff as it is, and seem to be ok with the whole coup thing.
 
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I'm not sure I'd want to test that too hard.

The US military leans right by somewhere around 3:2 - 2:1 according to studies. I suspect the higher ranks think Trump is a buffoon and Hegseth a vacuous, posturing blowhard, but that also doesn't mean they didn't go into a voting booth in 2024 and stick an X next to Trump's name anyway.
And, there's a reason why "just following orders" is specifically not a defence, lots of people will just follow orders. Most of the unconstitutional orders will be in a bit of a grey zone, anyway, even if that zone jeeps moving.

Not to mention, the military is doing quite a bit of dodgy stuff as it is, and seem to be ok with the whole coup thing.
I am more than aware of the fuck heads who more than possibly voted for him. It still doesn't make this moment any less satisfying. For those in any type of military who voted for him, regardless of rank, I hope they're fucking happy. Because if y'all didn't get how much of a fucking buffoon, the biatch has always been, I don't feel bad for them if they still do. You all chose this, so if you feel any type of embarrassment what were you expecting the second time around? You're all only upset now, because you're seeing the consequences directly and can't ignore them.
 

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I am more than aware of the fuck heads who more than possibly voted for him. It still doesn't make this moment any less satisfying. For those in any type of military who voted for him, regardless of rank, I hope they're fucking happy.
Massive defence department budget increase: yes, they're happy. It's what they really care about. Exciting new toys (and if they're lucky the odd one might even work), a bit of pork to pad their workplaces, and the fact that it just makes them feel special. If there's one way the government can make anyone feel loved, it's by spending a load of money on them. And making people feel loved tends to makes those people happy.
 

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Massive defence department budget increase: yes, they're happy. It's what they really care about. Exciting new toys (and if they're lucky the odd one might even work), a bit of pork to pad their workplaces, and the fact that it just makes them feel special. If there's one way the government can make anyone feel loved, it's by spending a load of money on them. And making people feel loved tends to makes those people happy.
Which is why they all can get river danced in the groin with steel towed boots for all I care.
 

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Dictators would allow the virus to spreading to sow fear into the community
Uhh... Florida banned visitations to nursing homes (BEFORE the virus had that 1st outbreak) and banned covid positive patients from returning to nursing homes from the hospital. New York did neither of those things and lied about their numbers to look good while Florida was accused of accused of fudging their numbers. Old people were safer in Florida than New York because common sense things were actually done in Florida while virtue signaling things like masking were done in New York. You don't even look at objective facts to determine your "truth".

The untested truths spun by different interests continue to churn and accumulate in the sandbox of political correctness and value systems. Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds, leaking whatever "truth" suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large. The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is invalidated, but nobody is right. Not even natural selection can take place here. The world is being engulfed in "truth."
 

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The punk ass dictator is declaring people who don't like terrorists again.

 
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The democrats can't do public healthcare because in order to do public healthcare in a way that won't instantly bankrupt the country is that you have to fix healthcare first.
Moreso than most other things, health insurance operates on economies of scale - the whole reason your current insurance has a formulary that says you get this brand of a drug but have to pay extra if you want the similar drug from the other company is because the one drug company offered a better deal than the other to the insurance in order to get that position, often a massive price reduction typically in the form of a rebate. The larger the insurance pool effected, the bigger those reductions get. One of the first things you do when instituting public healthcare is put everyone in one big pool - pharma companies will give much bigger cuts when 90+% of their business in a country is on the line, which functionally reduces drug prices. Most other elements of health insurance work in a similar fashion, often with negtiations involving the provider knowing what they want to charge, the insurance knowing what they are willing to pay, and a system of discounts and rebates set up so that your copay + insurance payment works out to the right number regardless of what percentage they allegedly cover.

You have to fix the cost of healthcare first. No country that has public healthcare pays the prices we do.
You have the arrow of causality backwards. We pay the prices we do because we don't have public healthcare. A big part of the pricing is about insurance company profits.
 

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Moreso than most other things, health insurance operates on economies of scale - the whole reason your current insurance has a formulary that says you get this brand of a drug but have to pay extra if you want the similar drug from the other company is because the one drug company offered a better deal than the other to the insurance in order to get that position, often a massive price reduction typically in the form of a rebate. The larger the insurance pool effected, the bigger those reductions get. One of the first things you do when instituting public healthcare is put everyone in one big pool - pharma companies will give much bigger cuts when 90+% of their business in a country is on the line, which functionally reduces drug prices. Most other elements of health insurance work in a similar fashion, often with negtiations involving the provider knowing what they want to charge, the insurance knowing what they are willing to pay, and a system of discounts and rebates set up so that your copay + insurance payment works out to the right number regardless of what percentage they allegedly cover.



You have the arrow of causality backwards. We pay the prices we do because we don't have public healthcare. A big part of the pricing is about insurance company profits.
Insurance company profits are pretty low compared to other industries in the medical field like drug manufacturers and medical products/services.
 

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Moreso than most other things, health insurance operates on economies of scale - the whole reason your current insurance has a formulary that says you get this brand of a drug but have to pay extra if you want the similar drug from the other company is because the one drug company offered a better deal than the other to the insurance in order to get that position, often a massive price reduction typically in the form of a rebate. The larger the insurance pool effected, the bigger those reductions get. One of the first things you do when instituting public healthcare is put everyone in one big pool - pharma companies will give much bigger cuts when 90+% of their business in a country is on the line, which functionally reduces drug prices. Most other elements of health insurance work in a similar fashion, often with negtiations involving the provider knowing what they want to charge, the insurance knowing what they are willing to pay, and a system of discounts and rebates set up so that your copay + insurance payment works out to the right number regardless of what percentage they allegedly cover.
Yes. This is the simplest reasoning in the world: the larger you are, the better the deal you can negotiate.

American healthcare is heavily fragmented through privatisation, which makes it hard to bargain effectively against drugs companies. I think this was the origin of pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs). Instead of a lots of small healthcare providers getting reamed by the suppliers, it made sense for an organisation to band together and represent multiple providers to bargain down the prices more effectively. Except in the long run, PBMs are just worse than large healthcare providers at bargaining down prices, plus they're also putting in an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy and profit-seeking which is very inefficient.

One might argue that US healthcare has to a large extent consolidated into some very large firms (like United Health) which should be able to negoitiate effectively. Except a problem here is that the insurers have been merging with the PBMs: why bargain down a company when you own that company? And in the end, the public (and government) just keep on paying - of course they do, because the alternative is ill-health and death. So there's no competitive drive in the system. Just a host of fat, lazy companies.

In fact, this is a well-recognised problem with healthcare generally. It just doesn't fit a standard capitalist model well at all. You want to buy a car, you've got a world of choices that can make companies fight for your custom. You want healthcare, you often need a pretty specific treatment, it's in many ways not your choice (generally, you would be strongly advised to do what your doctor says), and you may not even have choice of providers in many circumstance: if you've only got one local hospital, chances are you're not travelling 50 miles to the next nearest even if it's better. And of course the option of not receiving treatment is potentially catastrophic in a way that forgoing a lot of other things in life rarely is.
 

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The military does not like Trump and has 0 respect for him. They are truly disciplined. Defend the constitution, and not the one man in power.
Trump is likely gone in slightly more than 3 years. He might even be finally controlled by congress after midterms.

Even ignoring morals (which we can assume but never be sure about), it is not attractive for people with a decades long career as a professional in a gouvernment job to fully align themself with such a person too much and take the unavoidable fallout when he leaves office.

But for the same reasons, none of the active duty generals and admirals come out noticably against him. Only the retired ones.
 
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But for the same reasons, none of the active duty generals and admirals come out noticably against him. Only the retired ones.
They're not allowed to overtly support or oppose him: it's a job condition. The same applies to the civil service - they are obliged to appear neutral.

This is why the Trump administration amending websites and doctoring the out-of-office emails of furloughed workers is controversial and potentially illegal, because it is undermining the neutrality of state agencies and their workers. But as we all know, the Trump administration is basically above the law so what does it care.
 
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If you make turn healthcare public and pay the same exact prices you are paying now, it would just about instantly bankrupt the country. You have to fix the cost of healthcare first. No country that has public healthcare pays the prices we do.
Every single place that has public health care leverages the fact that they are a huge buyer to Healthcare to force Big Pharma into lower prices

Its basic Capitalism
 

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There's also that poverty increased under Biden, they actively did nothing for rail safety after a major railway accident that poisoned an area, failed to hold airlines accountable after nearly causing a massive air travel disaster, proudly increasing mass deportations, and then sent a lot of the worst possible messaging out about all of this. The Gaza genocide got a lot of the headlines because, y'know, it's a genocide that was actively being helped by the administration that also went out of it's way to demonize anyone speaking out against an actual literal genocide, so it's understandable that it got the most air time. But that 'looks around at the current state of America' line says something else, which I admit as a non-American does make sense.

You weren't looking around at the state of America before. This wasn't a case of "the Democrats were fine apart from Gaza", this was "the Democrats are actively screwing the entire country over for personal gain, and they can't even say they have more moral clarity than a bunch of child diddlers".
So.... the solution is to completely remove the safety net?

The solution is to reduce air trafficer controllers, regulations on airlines or air craft makers?

Remove regulations on pollution?

Deport citizens rather than just illegal immigrants?

When you say these things, do you realise how terrible the messaging is?

Right now, at best you have wasted everyone's time. If anything, its pro-Democrat because it reminds people how much better 2024 was compared to 2025. In 2028, most US citizens will be looking for this 'messaging' because its way better than what we have now
 

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Blaming Dems is in ways a really good idea.


They come across as a party that doesn't obviously appear to stand for anything - because even the stuff they talk a lot about, they're generally crummy at delivering. They are like a party of managements consultants: bloodless, drab, everything calculated and triangulated to the nearest inch. Everything worked out with charts and metrics and none of it by having the faintest idea about real voters. Saying the right sort of things to provide some appeal to the right people (according to polling) and as inoffensive as possible to everyone else.

But maybe a party that cannot demonstrate that it really believes in anything doesn't deserve to win. Maybe all those besuited husks are missing the obvious, that if you don't set a clearl course, and lead, and sound proud about it, people just aren't that interested.
I should have said 'only blame Democrats'

I'm tired of people using the Democrats shitty behaviour to justify their own shitty behaviour. That goes for MAGA, GOP and leftist