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The power in Nashville is still out after severe ice storms. What's to blame? Mismanagement? Poor preparedness? No, it's that Republican boogeyman, woke DEI!


Only strong white men can fix power lines, after all!
 
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Starmer maybe on the chopping block
Good.

I'm sure Starmer is in ways dedicated and well-meaning, but it is absolutely clear at this point that there is something deeply flawed about his political judgement. It's not just Mandelson-Epstein, it's a whole series of decisions where he has demonstrated painfully little insight into sending the right message to voters, and especially left-wingers. There's a lot of positivity about some of the deeper work done by Labour to shore up some public services and rethink national strategy, and respect that he's handled a difficult foreign policy situation relatively well. But Starmer has catastrophically lost the trust of the electorate with a series of unforced errors, and that should be curtains.

He puts across what I might describe as the worst aspects of a technocrat. On the technical policies and realpolitik you can see a case for decisions made, but they give nothing to the hopes, dreams and expectations of voters. All head and no heart. And if you give your voters little to believe in, they leave. It's all well and good to say "In 5-10 years our sound stewardship of the state will bear results", but hope needs to be more visible, and you need to show voters you share their values. Akin to this is attempting to purge swathes of Corbynites from the party: but Corbynites are their supporters too. Labour needs to carry the left as part of it: once it casts the left aside then the left is just going to turn into a new party that will erode and destroy Labour from the left. That's what is happening now, and it's handing the country to the far right.
 
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I'm sure Starmer is in ways dedicated and well-meaning
For the most part I'm not so sure he has good intentions. Since everything points that a red tory is not what the country needs it says something about him that he insists on being that. So much more since its blindingly obvious this route makes PM Farage inevidable.

All in all he comes off as that sort of Democrat who thinks serving big capital is far more important than protecting the country he's supposed to govern.
 
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For the most part I'm not so sure he has good intentions. Since everything points that a red tory is not what the country needs it says something about him that he insists on being that. So much more since its blindingly obvious this route makes PM Farage inevidable.

All in all he comes off as that sort of Democrat who thinks serving big capital is far more important than protecting the country he's supposed to govern.
I would not underestimate the extent to which many in Labour feel that the long-term problem their party has is that it is not trusted - by business, markets, the British middle classes - as safe captains of the ship of state. For these people in Labour, the key to electability to very boringly and pragmatically keep the ship as stable as possible, with a slight turn to port.

They are not without a point, either. If the British people do not feel that they are richer and public services have improved in the lead-up to election three years, then no amount of cheerleading to the left would save Labour from an electoral drubbing. In the end, parties have to deliver results.
 

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Proof of what? You've already provided us with proof of the infectious dose, but now you're dismissing it as irrelevant!



Once again, say it with me: "common" is relative to the category one is discussing.



Closing schools was the result of a totally different set of policies, and was not determined by the 6-metre guideline.



....Of actions that were taken by people, that were not necessitated by lockdown.

Let's apply the logic to something else. Say a health agency issues a guideline suggesting people should drink ~6-8 cups of water a day. That guideline isn't ideal for literally everyone. It is a rough guide.

Someone then goes and drinks 20 cups of water in a couple of hours, and gets bowel problems and diarrhoea. Is this the fault of the guideline?



...Then they counted all those 2 months, came to a total, and compared that directly (1-to-1!) to the total life lost to death.
The fact that you can get an infectious dose from fleeting contact, yes. There's like no science on that combined with the fact that basic observations contradict that as well.

Pointed that out; it's uncommon to be infected, but the most common infection is the common cold. It is the easiest upper respiratory infection to catch, but that doesn't make it so that upper respiratory infections are easy to catch.

Literally not true:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday relaxed physical distancing requirements for children in school, from 6 feet to 3 feet — a change aimed at allowing more students to be inside classrooms.
The recommendations come with a few caveats. Teachers and other adult school staff must still adhere to the 6 feet guidelines, and face coverings remain mandatory.


The WHO literally told people not to go around giving vaccines because of covid. It wasn't like a guideline was said to only interact with like 5 people per day and that got extrapolated to not giving vaccines.

And...? Are you arguing that people in jail don't lose any life?
 

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The fact that you can get an infectious dose from fleeting contact, yes. There's like no science on that combined with the fact that basic observations contradict that as well.
Ok, so you're now fully dismissing the reliability of the metric you introduced to this discussion. Well done.

Pointed that out; it's uncommon to be infected, but the most common infection is the common cold. It is the easiest upper respiratory infection to catch, but that doesn't make it so that upper respiratory infections are easy to catch.
If you're using the term "common" without a category other than "things that happen", you've rendered the word totally meaningless.

3 times a year is exceptionally rare if we're talking about bathing.

3 times a year is exceptionally common if we're talking about having heart attacks.

You see how the category determines the weight and relevance of any judgement on frequency?

Literally not true:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday relaxed physical distancing requirements for children in school, from 6 feet to 3 feet — a change aimed at allowing more students to be inside classrooms.
The recommendations come with a few caveats. Teachers and other adult school staff must still adhere to the 6 feet guidelines, and face coverings remain mandatory.

So in short, distancing guidelines made it impractical.

The WHO literally told people not to go around giving vaccines because of covid. It wasn't like a guideline was said to only interact with like 5 people per day and that got extrapolated to not giving vaccines.
Ok, and you think this WHO instruction to aid workers was the same thing as a domestic lockdown?

And...? Are you arguing that people in jail don't lose any life?
They don't lose life, no. They lose substantial quality of life and freedom.

Are you arguing they're dead?
 

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The best and brightest are just too "woke" for the "warrior culture".


Remember: Real warriors are stupid.

EDIT: The Scouts are also too "woke".


Hegseth is probably demanding a "running over protestors with your car" merit badge.
 

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Hegseth is probably demanding a "running over protestors with your car" merit badge.
No, they just really need to drop the DEI merit badge. Scouts already had merit badges for Citizenship in the Community, the Nation, and the World as required merit badges for decades. They added Citizenship in Society as a place to put DEI nonsense, because the dummies in DC somehow forgot their program taught actual virtues and real world community participation and didn't need to add in the pretend virtues and terminally online social participation.
 

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No, they just really need to drop the DEI merit badge. Scouts already had merit badges for Citizenship in the Community, the Nation, and the World as required merit badges for decades. They added Citizenship in Society as a place to put DEI nonsense, because the dummies in DC somehow forgot their program taught actual virtues and real world community participation and didn't need to add in the pretend virtues and terminally online social participation.
And is this really such a serious...ahem ''illness'' that merit such an extreme medicine? An educated officer corpse seems pretty valuable to have, so is undercutting that to stick it to the wokies really a good move?

Lets assume the DEI merrit badge really is as hoooorible as the right think it is. Does that somehow remove everything else about Harvard? Is it really so damaging that it justifies cutting ties and ending up with less educated troops?

Everything about this seems to signal its designed more to promote Trump to his base via a culture war ''victory'' than it is doing anything for the armed forces.
 

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Everything about this seems to signal its designed more to promote Trump to his base via a culture war ''victory'' than it is doing anything for the armed forces.
Here's how you tell the difference. If, let's imagine, the Scouts or Harvard rescind some of the contentious policies and the Trump administration says "cool, then we go back to normal", then the goal was to have an actual effect. If those institutions play ball and the Trump team still says "nahhh, too late, you suck", then it was all empty signaling.
 

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Here's how you tell the difference. If, let's imagine, the Scouts or Harvard rescind some of the contentious policies and the Trump administration says "cool, then we go back to normal", then the goal was to have an actual effect. If those institutions play ball and the Trump team still says "nahhh, too late, you suck", then it was all empty signaling.
Still seems an overly radical step for a ''problem'' that isn't actually all that big so even if it achieves ''results'' it would still be empty posturing from Trump. Given the pax America is rapidly reaching its end you'd think the armed forces would have bigger concerns right now.

Its also a risk since there's actually not much incentive to play ball for the universities either. It would rightfully be seen as caving to a loony authoritarian who's unpopularity might make that a bit unwise. It also opens the door for further unreasonable and petty demands from the administration if they cave quickly.

Its picking overly weird fights to fix ''problems'' that aren't even very big and which is just a complete hassle for all involved. Pointless culture war posturing.
 

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Still seems an overly radical step for a ''problem'' that isn't actually all that big so even if it achieves ''results'' it would still be empty posturing from Trump. Given the pax America is rapidly reaching its end you'd think the armed forces would have bigger concerns right now.

Its also a risk since there's actually not much incentive to play ball for the universities either. It would rightfully be seen as caving to a loony authoritarian who's unpopularity might make that a bit unwise. It also opens the door for further unreasonable and petty demands from the administration if they cave quickly.

Its picking overly weird fights to fix ''problems'' that aren't even very big and which is just a complete hassle for all involved. Pointless culture war posturing.
The thing is that you're wrong about everything. And in exactly the same way, it's not at all pointless, because right now they are teaching other people to be wrong about everything just like you.
 

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The thing is that you're wrong about everything. And in exactly the same way, it's not at all pointless, because right now they are teaching other people to be wrong about everything just like you.
That's a funny response from the Trump guy who few people on here seem to agree with.

But I'll humor you. Americans were thought history wrong for over a century through the lost cause. Things like Grant being merely a drunk butcher was pretty common sentiment for a long time, as was the whole ''states rights'' junk. So much of wrong information that was thought, and the state didn't collapse due to it.

Also your arguments to seem to veer somewhat into academic censorship. Its true academics have little cause to praise Trump because....well there's hardly much to praise is there? Should that be suppressed? Should the government come to withhold perks or otherwise crack down if a university compares Obama with Trump and conclude that by all metrics Obama would score significantly better then Trump?

Is it really the government's job to decide what teachings are right or wrong?
 

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Its picking overly weird fights to fix ''problems'' that aren't even very big and which is just a complete hassle for all involved. Pointless culture war posturing.
Problems that don't exist don't actually require difficult solutions, so easy win there...sorta.
 

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Is it really the government's job to decide what teachings are right or wrong?
When paying for them, yes. If the government is going to be putting it's money and power behind organizations, it then has an obligation to at least care whether those organizations are doing and teaching things that are good and true.

And for what it is worth, if the things they do and teach are good and true, they'll probably survive just fine with or without the government backing them.