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Agema

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You're not clowning on me, you're clowning on reason itself, and thus all of your own positions.
It's pretty amazing to see you throw the accusation "clowning on reason itself" given your last few mis-steps.

Let's imagine I said I disliked eating fish, and your reply was that if I were a seal I would like eating fish. This is transparently a ludicrous logical construction to suggest that I or anyone else should like fish. You do not evaluate the real world by rationalising it away with the imaginary.

Then we get to post #7647. Boil it down to its core, it's just saying "People who don't support the Republican Party are stupid or ignorant". This is fine as an ugly and arrogant statement of your subjective prejudices, but completely unsound as an objective claim.
 

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Then we get to post #7647. Boil it down to its core, it's just saying "People who don't support the Republican Party are stupid or ignorant". This is fine as an ugly and arrogant statement of your subjective prejudices, but completely unsound as an objective claim.
Maybe the reason you think I'm calling people stupid or ignorant is because you misunderstand the nature of reason. Reason reaches no conclusions in a vacuum, it must be applied to circumstance. If ones circumstances and assumptions change, their conclusions will also change, that's not a matter of being stupid or ignorant.

Reason is not the only way to establish a belief. Tradition, intuition, imagination can all get you there. Take Seanchaidh, he's not stupid or ignorant, but his beliefs are not reasoned from his knowledge and circumstance. They are built from the imaginary of what could be if first we dismantled our current social systems. It's a silly thing to imagine, but human intelligence is at least as good at rationalizing the ridiculous as it is at finding the truth.
 

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I don't think i could have distilled a more perfect illustrative example of a tstorm post than this. The sophistry, the arrogance, the pretence, its all too perfect.
I suggested that people can disagree without thinking one is stupid or ignorant... gosh, how arrogant of me.
 

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Trump, who has called mail-in voting "mail-in cheating", cast a vote by mail. His rationalization? "I'm the President."


Rules for thee, not for me.
 

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Maybe the reason you think I'm calling people stupid or ignorant is because you misunderstand the nature of reason. Reason reaches no conclusions in a vacuum, it must be applied to circumstance. If ones circumstances and assumptions change, their conclusions will also change, that's not a matter of being stupid or ignorant.

Reason is not the only way to establish a belief. Tradition, intuition, imagination can all get you there. Take Seanchaidh, he's not stupid or ignorant, but his beliefs are not reasoned from his knowledge and circumstance. They are built from the imaginary of what could be if first we dismantled our current social systems. It's a silly thing to imagine, but human intelligence is at least as good at rationalizing the ridiculous as it is at finding the truth.
 
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Maybe the reason you think I'm calling people stupid or ignorant is because you misunderstand the nature of reason. Reason reaches no conclusions in a vacuum, it must be applied to circumstance. If ones circumstances and assumptions change, their conclusions will also change, that's not a matter of being stupid or ignorant.
Let me explain your own logic to you.

You say if I were American I would be a Republican. And then in #7647 you say that this is because I am at core a "rational person, for the most part, and reasoned positions are consequential to the information you have and the circumstance you are in."

Therefore putting these together you are saying that a person who applies reason to the information and circumstance of America would be a Republican. In other words, Democratic Party supporters are either stupid or ignorant or both.
 
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Let me explain your own logic to you.

You say if I were American I would be a Republican. And then in #7647 you say that this is because I am at core a "rational person, for the most part, and reasoned positions are consequential to the information you have and the circumstance you are in."

Therefore putting these together you are saying that a person who applies reason to the information and circumstance of America would be a Republican. In other words, Democratic Party supporters are either stupid or ignorant or both.
Stop cutting off the parts of posts that answer your question.
 

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Stop cutting off the parts of posts that answer your question.
It makes no difference.

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Reason is not the only way to establish a belief. Tradition, intuition, imagination can all get you there. Take Seanchaidh, he's not stupid or ignorant, but his beliefs are not reasoned from his knowledge and circumstance. They are built from the imaginary of what could be if first we dismantled our current social systems. It's a silly thing to imagine, but human intelligence is at least as good at rationalizing the ridiculous as it is at finding the truth.
- or, simply -

People like Seanchaidh form beliefs without applying reason to knowledge.
In other words, you are claiming they are stupid (lacking reason) and/or ignorant (lacking knowledge).
 
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In other words, you are claiming they are stupid (lacking reason) and/or ignorant (lacking knowledge).
That is not what that says. Using an alternative method for something is not a statement on whether they could do something the way you expect.
 

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Mark Kelly it is.

Fine

1. Mark Kelly
2. Abigail Spanberger
3. Pete Buttigieg
4. Ruben Gallego
5. Kamala Harris
6. Seth Moulton
7. Josh Shapiro
 
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Whatever, just wash your hands.

Destiny talks to one of the few republicans who voted to impeach trump. What happened behind closed doors, thoughts about the current situation and how much retribution should there be against trump and his cronies.
 
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Literally saying the quiet part out loud, our president.

"We have a thing called a war, or as they would rather say, a military operation. It's for legal reasons. Because as a military operation, I don't need any approvals. As a war you're supposed to get approval from Congress. Something like that. So I call it a military operation."
 

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Marveling at how much he has declined. I didn't watch presidential debates when I was young.

Timestamped part: after just talking about his plan to lower taxes for companies, he complains about America looking like a third world country, the horrible state of the airports (comparing them to other countries') and roads, "and we've spent six trillion dollars in the Middle East according to a report that I just saw -- whether it's six or five, but it looks like it's six -- six trillion dollars. We could have rebuilt our country twice, and it's really a shame..."

What has he built? What did his trickle down do for the country? But that's Republicans. Good at complaining and criticizing, but no actual plans. I know they do hate seeing the country rot, which makes them more traitorous. They'll tolerate traveling over broken roads and through decrepit, run down places full of homeless and mentally ill people that they have to be protected from if it means more money for themselves and their friends. It makes no sense. If I was obscenely wealthy, I would still want to see nice things. How long can you go from one mansion to another, from party to play to restaurant, trying not to look out your limo window in between, before the interiors make you claustrophobic and you decide that you've had enough of this ugly country? How do voters keep falling for trickle down?



After ignoring them for days, I gave in and signed two petitions outside of the supermarket yesterday, one for lowering the local train fairs and the other for taxing billionaires, the latter of which will certainly be sabotaged by the Democrat governor again. But I said to the woman with all the petitions that if we want them to listen to us what we really need is a national strike. I didn't elaborate because she had no concept of what I was talking about. She carried on with her small talk. "How's your day going? You from here?"
 
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Yeah, it's totally normal for a sitting President to answer a question about human suffering in war with "remember that lunch we had? You look even better now."

Well it’s normal that THIS president says it. If he started saying that’s it’s tragic and that he wishes only the best for people then it get real bizarre

All the more so because he so openly adores Putin who’s bringing the suffering.
 
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Yeah, it's totally normal for a sitting President to answer a question about human suffering in war with "remember that lunch we had? You look even better now."

I would rather he loses his interest in the Iran war, and focus more on the economy, than just endlessly obsess over fighting dumb wars like George W Bush who i argue is still the worst president in the modern era.

Well it’s normal that THIS president says it. If he started saying that’s it’s tragic and that he wishes only the best for people then it get real bizarre

All the more so because he so openly adores Putin who’s bringing the suffering.
He respects, and admires Putin, but he/the US won't align with him until China invades Siberia.

I am still disappointed the EU didn't accept Russia into the EU. You guys could have had a more powerful empire than the US right now.