Funny Events of the "Woke" world
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You are forgetting they ''created states in their image'' through the red army and forcing them to be perpetual satalite states, or that the Russian army was always ready in case they needed to brutalize those countries for the slightest show of independence.
Cold war Hungary was not akin to cold war Netherlands or France. Whatever you think of America's leading role, the American army coming to attack Paris and brutalize the citizens if they considered De Ghaule annoying(which they did) would be unthinkable. The hostages from the warshaw pact were not just the same as European NATO members.
The occupied half of Europe was characterized by repression of citizens at the behest of an opressive foreign state. That's why all those countries are desperate not to return to Russia's barbaric system.
You are absolutely right about feminism in the two Germanies. But that does not make the violent suppression in Chechoslovakia or, indeed even the GDR any more palatable.
I don't think you can call something like that right in any meaningful sense while ignoring the reality that equality in hell is not a good thing. He implicitly compares "women need to depend on men financially" to "women don't need to depend on men financially", but the true alternative was "nobody, including women, could depend on anyone financially". It wasn't elevating independent women, it was just pushing everyone else down to meet them.
As were the walls of Fort Sumter
Yeah, the United States and UK never did any of that. Definitely not right at this moment.
Can perhaps name this allied country invaded by the US army when they acted as independent countries?As were the walls of Fort Sumter
Yeah, the United States and UK never did any of that. Definitely not right at this moment.
Was it Spain? France? Belgium?
It’s worth pointing out that even with Trump who unlike his peers does object to European independence it was deemed a step too far to invade US allies.
There are US bases all over Europe and you're always obedient little pups.
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And there is also the Allied Intervention in the Russian civil war.
But that was not the discussion at hand. We were talking about America invading its allies and brutalize its citizens when they act like an independent country. Russia did that to Hungary and Tjech republic but there is no American sack of Paris or Amsterdam. In the early days of the cold war De ghaule was annoying Americans , in the later years the Dutch resisted the placement of nukes. Neither event led to the American army intervening.
You don't act like independent countries, though. Why would they sack the cities of obedient pups? They had Gladio and other stay-behind groups and fascist militias to guide the politics of Europe. Might still.
Hungary had a violent revolt against its government, somewhat like the Stop the Steal 'protests' in the United States.
Strange I thought Greenland was not stolen and that America got so annoyed by France staying out of their stupid war they created a whole freedom free nonsense about it. Heck present day Hungary was until recently governed by Russian agents and the US did nothing.
Its puppet government that was in place to keep Hungary subjugated to a hostile nation. It would be more akin to Manchuria objecting to the puppet rulers Japan put there and Japan having the gall to offended by it. Or the France rebelling against Vichy France.
"Your countries' governments take actions in concert with America sometimes, therefore you must be directly controlled by Washington".
You've never really understood or respected the existence of independent states outside of the envisaged bipolar global order of "great powers"; everything else is subordinated to them. Its a form of chauvinism. The notion that Western European countries are under just as much coercive control as Russia's satellites is absolutely laughable.
I mean, what, because they have army bases there? Of course they do: they're in a defensive alliance, numerous Eastern members of that alliance are under threat of attack. So yes, they host allied forces, big whoop. They're not directing what our countries do.
Recall too that Russian army bases were the sole foreign military presence in Ukraine before the war. If they indicate direct control, hmm, that raises some questions.
"Sometimes"
You're littered with American military bases and your leaders tremble at Washington.
1) No, that was never the case.
2) The extremely mild deviation from Washington/London foreign policy aims by Hungary was adroitly handled by flooding the country-- and the rest of the continent-- with propaganda.
You think European opinion is relevant to that because..?
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Hm. Yet the US demanded we join them in bombing Iran, and we didn't follow, prompting fury from Washington. That complete control can't be all too complete.
Ukraine was littered with Russian army bases, wasn't it?
Unsurprising to see you're now playing defence for the European far-right, given that that they usually act in concert with Russian benefactors.
Not really, no.Ukraine was littered with Russian army bases, wasn't it?
Crimea had some amount. Which is one reason Russia was absolutely not willing to let the United States take them by overthrowing the elected government of Ukraine with street violence. The Sevastopol garrison is legacy of the Soviet Union's and now Russia's Black Sea Fleet, hardly comparable to the several hundred military bases the United States has around the world.
Your government is directly involved in the war effort against Iran. It has participated in air defense for israel and lets the United States launch from its airfields to bomb Iranian targets. It also continually does reconnaissance flights over Gaza and Lebanon without any particular fanfare (presumably to guide israeli targeting, but your government isn't exactly forthcoming about what they're doing). Are you confused?
Maybe you're victim to an optical illusion. Whenever there is even the slightest difference between what Washington wants and what your politicians deliver, it is an issue, both widely reported and critically questioned. Any deviation is magnified. There is 'fury'. The slightest resistance might be framed as 'courageous' or 'defiant'. All the while status quo obedience is quietly ignored.
Europe's 'independence' amounts to not participating as much as they could in the bombing of a somewhat distant target that isn't particularly their concern. They're still involved! Apart from the UK, European institutions regularly deliver baffling denunciations of Iran firing back in defense. There could hardly be a clearer case of an exception that proves the rule.
I'll also note that the US establishment is divided over the war in Iran; that is also relevant to the latitude enjoyed by European governments.
That is a bit weird.
You are the only who says European states are slavishly loyal which means that if Trump demand he be allowed to steal their territory they would have agreed. And if the US was as barbaric as Russia like you claim they would have reacted to a refusal by sending in the army.
Neither outcome occurred.
Why is ''doing everything in my power to help Putin'' a mild deviation? I get that Trump is an open traitor but it is not yet official policy to surrender the west to Russia. And why is Orban not a Russian asset when he and his ministers act like spies for Russia in European meetings and stress that they want to aid Putin in any single way they can?
If they were so concerned about their puppet government remaining in power they would not have forcefully parraded said government as a puppet and thus cause the unrest in the streets to begin with. The change of governance was a direct consequence of Russia being reckless and ideologically unwilling to recognize Ukraine as an independent state.
Russia was not forced to seize Crimea. Russia created a mess and then felt they had to scramble to illegally steal Ukraine's land. An entirely unforced error on all levels by Russia.
It is not my fault that the main problem Europeans have with the European far right is that sometimes they're not xenophobic or militaristic enough. That's on you guys.
It is unclear why you think rejecting IMF demands for harsh austerity measures and privatization as a condition for EU membership is Russian puppeteering. Oh, right, the propaganda I gestured at earlier.