Funny Events of the "Woke" world

[Silvanus]

He's also 1 dude, with no actual power and accused but not convicted so about that claim of Joe Biden being an abuser. And how much of that follower counts is just bots again?

Quite a lot of influence he wields online, buddy. I have friends who work in schools and hear his name come up among boys semi-frequently.

I'm sorry you got your knickers in a twist over two people with jokes on their placards but its not really the same.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Quite a lot of influence he wields online, buddy. I have friends who work in schools and hear his name come up among boys semi-frequently.

I'm sorry you got your knickers in a twist over two people with jokes on their placards but its not really the same.

There's at least 4 of them now.



So are you going to drop the appeal to triviality fallacy (claiming that not enough people are doing it so it doesn't matter).

Because it only take 1 crazy to go too far but this lot there's at least 4 complete with having made shirts and banners.

 

[Silvanus]

There's at least 4 of them now.

complete with having made shirts and banners.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Yeh so going to respond to me calling you out on the appeal to triviality.

Or shall we evolve this to how that's a fair bit of effort to go to just to "own Trump" somehow with a petty meaningless show.
So exactly what I'd expect from the woke side.

 

[Silvanus]

Yeh so going to respond to me calling you out on the appeal to triviality.

You convinced me. These 4 people with a joke on a placard represent a deadly threat to democracy.

 

[BrawlMan]

The ultra right flippant piss ants who will project on anything, just to feel better about their own insecurities.

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[Dwarvenhobble]

The ultra right flippant piss ants who will project on anything, just to feel better about their own insecurities.

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Right couldn't possibly be because of a running trend in media as of late



I mean Doctor Who anyone?

No-one trusts companies to do a female character well these days without turning her into an unstoppable girl boss who exists just to act out all the slightly psychotic things the writer wishes they could do. E.G. guy hits on you and you don't want it? you should be allowed to legally break his hand for daring to approach you

But hey so I can put forward some actual objections to the game for other reasons, here's some I prepared earlier.

We're getting the story of after she died....... which really? Not exactly what I'd think people were hoping for. People wanted to know more about Laufey and her life before Kratos and how she came to meet and love Kratos.

Next the combat aspect, why does it look like a Wuxia film? (Like Wushu but with more fantasy so Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon or Kung Fu Hustle) The flowing ribbon stuff just seems off too Like isn't Faye the one who had the Axe forged for her, but she's fighting with a delicate looking 1 hand sword despite her main weapon in life being an Axe?

Why the fucking weird cube thing it's not some God or mythical being that we know of it seems so out of place.

 

[Chimpzy]

The latest Netflix anime adaptation of Baki-Dou has censored a Trump cameo

Spoiler: how it looks in the anime

Spoiler: original ma(n)ga panel/how it should look uncensored

 

[thebobmaster]

Yes, Doctor Who ended up being put on hiatus because it had a female Doctor. Had nothing to do with the fact that the writing itself was heavily critiqued for the last several seasons, and that people were starting to tune out. We'll also ignore the fact that it wasn't for two seasons and several specials after Jodie Whittaker that the show actually got put on indefinite hiatus, and we'll also ignore that fans actually thought her brief return during Ncuti's run was actually VERY well received by fans. We'll also ignore that one of the biggest complaints with RTD's second run as showrunner was constantly calling back to the older Doctor Who stuff without anything other than "remember X?"

Nope, everything wrong with Doctor Who was because of Jodie Whittaker.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Yes, Doctor Who ended up being put on hiatus because it had a female Doctor. Had nothing to do with the fact that the writing itself was heavily critiqued for the last several seasons, and that people were starting to tune out. We'll also ignore the fact that it wasn't for two seasons and several specials after Jodie Whittaker that the show actually got put on indefinite hiatus, and we'll also ignore that fans actually thought her brief return during Ncuti's run was actually VERY well received by fans. We'll also ignore that one of the biggest complaints with RTD's second run as showrunner was constantly calling back to the older Doctor Who stuff without anything other than "remember X?"

Nope, everything wrong with Doctor Who was because of Jodie Whittaker.

You guys really don't understand your opponents do you?

The meme is because that's all people do. They don't look into quality. They don't try to make it appealing. They put a chick in it, make the character lame and in some cases gay. That's where the thinking stops. They don't think about making shit actually good or writing a good character or consistent. It's the Judo Master vs Nazi earth shit all over again (context, in Peacemaker Season 2 a character called Judo Master straight up murders a load of people on an Earth where the Nazis won World War 2 and his fine with it because he says how they'd hate him for who he is. Problem is in the show in Season 1 Judo Master was a villain worker for evil aliens trying to take over the Earth and subjugate humanity so taking the moral high ground of "It's fine they were Nazi" is a pretty shakey ground when not long ago you were fine with bug aliens taking over earth and subjugating humanity, especially as the people were civilians it would be like going "It would have been fine to wipe out most of the German population after World War 2 they were just Nazis"

Jesus I made it until the Christmas Special after The Timeless Child before finally bailing. Keep in mind I started on Doctor Who with the Pyramids of Mars......... technically I started with an old VHs and some on TV episodes but then went to the Pyramids of Mars after I think it was The Spearhead from space. I've seen so damn much Doctor Who including going back to watch classic episode once I could. You mention the writing, yes Jodie Whitakers Doctor was fucking lame she was written terribly but no anyone criticising at the time just hated women. Hell they even wasted Yaz then made Yaz gay for the Doctor despite setting her up as a potential badass female companion but then relegating her to possible love interest for Ryan in her first season then sidelining her most stories season 2.

I literally tuned out after those 2 seasons because I thought "Ok I'll give it a go I won't judge until I've seen it." The first Whitaker season was mediocre at best but the Christmas Special gave me hope it was actually pretty good, better than The Return of Doctor Mysterio, so I said I'd keep on in the hopes it improved. It didn't and then Chinballs went full destruction of Doctor Who Lore. All the stuff about bringing back the Timelords laid out by Moffat and team before? Nah just gonna have it blown up by the Master off fucking screen. Then retconning the Doctor to have always been female and having had their memory of their life before the Hartnell era erased which really the whole The Doctor was an agent of the Timelords? The whole point of the Doctor is he ran away he refused to be that. Plus making him functionally immortal ruins the tension as each death was a counting down, each life mattered. Oh and the destruction of the Cyberwar, just a good long running story built up over generations of writers about humanity coming together not just with each other but the rest of the galaxy to combat the Cybermen with the Glittergun (yes it's a real thing in the show) a tale of triumph and working together ruined to make it so humanity is pushed down to 4 survivors who who don't even stay in the future at the end of the story and it's not a moment of humanity showing it can triumph and be good either just a damp squib of an end to their story.

The only fans left watching the show by Ncuti's term were people with stockholm syndrome completely buying into the bullshit that somehow watching the show made them better people than those who gave up.

Also no the biggest complain in the RTD 2.0 era wasn't callbacks. It was everything else from the very much more prominent activist to stories feeling not about the Doctor but about Ncuti's own life interspersed with issues with just how stupid the show seems to be going like the signing goblins airship shit.

 

[thebobmaster]

I'll trust the opinions about the show to people who actually watched the seasons like myself, my friend, and the people I saw discussing it online, personally. That seems more trustworthy to me. But then, you've shown that to you, literally the worst thing any show or movie can do is have a female lead, so you'll find reasons to support that no matter what. It's especially telling that you complain about them girlbossing the Doctor, and then complain about them un-girlbossing Yaz. And "retconning the Doctor to having always been female"? Um...I seem to recall them pretty consistently saying that all versions of the Time Lords have gender mean basically nothing. Maybe the initial Timeless Child (which was an incredibly stupid plot point for plenty of non-gender reasons) was female, but that doesn't apply to literally every regeneration, or even most of them, ESPECIALLY when the main regeneration we see that wasn't a previously established Doctor in flashbacks was also male. There were a total of 3 female Doctors seen if you count the Timeless Child as one. But yes, Doctor Who totally went downhill because of Jodie Whittaker. Got it. Women ruin everything. Every series needs a male lead, and a female love interest. Anything else is just woke and deserves to fail.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I'll trust the opinions about the show to people who actually watched the seasons like myself, my friend, and the people I saw discussing it online, personally.

Odd because that's whose opinions I'm trusting, at least past the 2nd Jodie Whitaker series lol. Well not your friend obviously, at least probably not them at least.

That seems more trustworthy to me. But then, you've shown that to you, literally the worst thing any show or movie can do is have a female lead,

You know how I said your side don't understand?

Maybe it's cause you don't listen or at least you don't take in information.

I've talked multiple fucking times on this forum about in multiple threads now how one of my favourite recent shows was Killjoys.

You know the one with Hannah John-Kamen as the lead, who you might know as Ghost from the MCU.

To add to this I'm literally looking right now at my Dark Angel box set. You know the James Cameron series with Jessica Alba as the lead?

Fucking hell my favourite movie currently is Belle or to give it the full title Belle: The Dragon and the Freckled Princess

So no. I haven't shown that. You've ignorantly chosen to claim I have.

so you'll find reasons to support that no matter what.

Right so whatever I say despite whatever evidence I can provide doesn't matter you're just going to make accusations and demand I accept whatever label.

Shall I just leave you to have some more alone time with the Strawman?

It's especially telling that you complain about them girlbossing the Doctor, and then complain about them un-girlbossing Yaz.

I didn't complain they girlbossed the Doctor though. You don't fucking read do you? Or do you just have some impairment where the information doesn't actually go in?

You can argue I complained they didn't Girlboss Yaz but Yaz was literally a police officer and Doctor Who has a long history of strong female companions so actual trained police officer is one you'd normally mark in the "probably contender for some fighting / action stuff" more so than basically any other bar Leela.

And "retconning the Doctor to having always been female"? Um...I seem to recall them pretty consistently saying that all versions of the Time Lords have gender mean basically nothing.

Except when it wasn't and actually changing sex was mentioned about once before as a possible glitch that could happen when regenerating and nor some normal thing. That was a Moffat retcon to set things up for a female Doctor the whole changing sex with regenerations thing.

Maybe the initial Timeless Child (which was an incredibly stupid plot point for plenty of non-gender reasons) was female, but that doesn't apply to literally every regeneration, or even most of them, ESPECIALLY when the main regeneration we see that wasn't a previously established Doctor in flashbacks was also male. There were a total of 3 female Doctors seen if you count the Timeless Child as one. But yes, Doctor Who totally went downhill because of Jodie Whittaker. Got it. Women ruin everything. Every series needs a male lead, and a female love interest. Anything else is just woke and deserves to fail.

Right I get it you're too stupid to actually understand a point or too disingenuous to actually engage with it.

 

[tstorm823]

You guys really don't understand your opponents do you?

The meme is because that's all people do. They don't look into quality. They don't try to make it appealing. They put a chick in it, make the character lame and in some cases gay. That's where the thinking stops. They don't think about making shit actually good or writing a good character or consistent.

I understand this point well, it's not that adding a woman makes it bad, it's that the creators are substituting social statements for actual creativity in an attempt to demand relevance despite sub-par content (or at least scapegoat their failure as being victimized by bigots), which if anything does a disservice to the groups of people they staple onto their sinking ships.

That being said, I don't know how this applies to God of War. They aren't a sinking ship, their games are popular and well received as far as I know, they didn't invent a token character for this role, it seems to fit together rather cleanly... I see no reason to suspect ulterior motives here, I'm inclined to think Laufey is genuinely just the story they felt inspired to tell.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I understand this point well, it's not that adding a woman makes it bad, it's that the creators are substituting social statements for actual creativity in an attempt to demand relevance despite sub-par content (or at least scapegoat their failure as being victimized by bigots), which if anything does a disservice to the groups of people they staple onto their sinking ships.

That being said, I don't know how this applies to God of War. They aren't a sinking ship, their games are popular and well received as far as I know, they didn't invent a token character for this role, it seems to fit together rather cleanly... I see no reason to suspect ulterior motives here, I'm inclined to think Laufey is genuinely just the story they felt inspired to tell.

The thing was TLOU wasn't on a downturn either lol

 

[tstorm823]

The thing was TLOU wasn't on a downturn either lol

Original one-off stories don't track the same way. The world is littered with second installations in franchises that exist to capitalize on the success of the first, often with major tone changes in the process. Temple of Doom or Die Hard 2 didn't need a protagonist shift to suck.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Original one-off stories don't track the same way. The world is littered with second installations in franchises that exist to capitalize on the success of the first, often with major tone changes in the process. Temple of Doom or Die Hard 2 didn't need a protagonist shift to suck.

True though Star Wars was kind of on a pretty big high before the new films.

 

[thebobmaster]

Odd because that's whose opinions I'm trusting, at least past the 2nd Jodie Whitaker series lol. Well not your friend obviously, at least probably not them at least.


You know how I said your side don't understand?

Maybe it's cause you don't listen or at least you don't take in information.

I've talked multiple fucking times on this forum about in multiple threads now how one of my favourite recent shows was Killjoys.

You know the one with Hannah John-Kamen as the lead, who you might know as Ghost from the MCU.

To add to this I'm literally looking right now at my Dark Angel box set. You know the James Cameron series with Jessica Alba as the lead?

Fucking hell my favourite movie currently is Belle or to give it the full title Belle: The Dragon and the Freckled Princess

So no. I haven't shown that. You've ignorantly chosen to claim I have.



Right so whatever I say despite whatever evidence I can provide doesn't matter you're just going to make accusations and demand I accept whatever label.

Shall I just leave you to have some more alone time with the Strawman?



I didn't complain they girlbossed the Doctor though. You don't fucking read do you? Or do you just have some impairment where the information doesn't actually go in?

You can argue I complained they didn't Girlboss Yaz but Yaz was literally a police officer and Doctor Who has a long history of strong female companions so actual trained police officer is one you'd normally mark in the "probably contender for some fighting / action stuff" more so than basically any other bar Leela.


Except when it wasn't and actually changing sex was mentioned about once before as a possible glitch that could happen when regenerating and nor some normal thing. That was a Moffat retcon to set things up for a female Doctor the whole changing sex with regenerations thing.




Right I get it you're too stupid to actually understand a point or too disingenuous to actually engage with it.

You know what, that's all fair enough. I'll back off. I thought you were saying they were girlbossing The Doctor because you brought up Doctor Who specifically after talking about companies in general girlbossing characters too much, so I made the connection between the two when you weren't doing that. As for everything else, I'll admit that what you are saying may be accurate. I don't remember them mentioning Rassilon regenerating into a woman being a glitch, but I was too upset over them not bringing back Timothy Dalton so I could have missed that. You came off, to me, as basically saying that they ruined the show by casting Jodie Whittaker, and I definitely made way too many assumptions about your point of view based on that. I'll concede the point. I will say that I've heard far more issues with Chibnall's and RTD 2.0's series than simply "going woke", and I agree with most of those issues. I just vastly oversimplified to the point of misunderstanding your point of view. I sincerely apologize, and will let this stand as an example why neither side of the debate should be taken uncritically, because I definitely deserved to be called out.

ETA: And to be clear, my issue with the Timeless Child is that to me, it undid about 40 years of Doctor Who history by making The Doctor someone truly special, rather than just in the right place at the right time to save the world. The Doctor meant more to me when they were basically just a bumbling time traveler who happened to show up at the right time with the intellect to make up for any shortcomings rather than an actual Messiah of sorts. I mean, yes, there were also some moments of Tennant's run where he could come off as that, but Time Lord Victorious shows what it would have ACTUALLY been like if The Doctor ever really thought of themselves as such, much less being justified in doing so.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

You know what, that's all fair enough. I'll back off. I thought you were saying they were girlbossing The Doctor because you brought up Doctor Who specifically after talking about companies in general girlbossing characters too much, so I made the connection between the two when you weren't doing that. As for everything else, I'll admit that what you are saying may be accurate. I don't remember them mentioning Rassilon regenerating into a woman being a glitch, but I was too upset over them not bringing back Timothy Dalton so I could have missed that.

Oh this is like old who lore man the Rassilon regeneration was them changing the lore more conclusively to pave the wave for Jodie Whitaker as the Doctor.

A move I still maintain wasn't something they should have done because the argument was being made that "Doctor Who needs strong female representation as it hasn't had any" by activist types who barely knew anything actually about Doctor Who and just saw it as another franchise to capture in the culture war. Plenty of options and ways they could have got Whitaker in but not as the Doctor. I've said other places before if by some miracle I ever ended up in writing control of Doctor Who Whitakers Doctor would become either Romana or The Rani and The actual Doctor was trapped the whole time somewhere. They could could have done it as a massive twist, pushed the first female Doctor and then the twist actually no The Doctor is still a dude you've just watched a whole series following some-one who thought they were The Doctor.

You came off, to me, as basically saying that they ruined the show by casting Jodie Whittaker, and I definitely made way too many assumptions about your point of view based on that.

I don't think she ruined it, I was willing to give it as shot see where they went with it and if they did anything interesting.

Also she's technically not the first Female Doctor

Joanna Lumley is

I'll concede the point. I will say that I've heard far more issues with Chibnall's and RTD 2.0's series than simply "going woke", and I agree with most of those issues. I just vastly oversimplified to the point of misunderstanding your point of view. I sincerely apologize, and will let this stand as an example why neither side of the debate should be taken uncritically, because I definitely deserved to be called out.

Apology accepted.

 

[tstorm823]

True though Star Wars was kind of on a pretty big high before the new films.

Star Wars still is generally on a pretty big high, with the exception of 7-9. I didn't watch 8 and haphazardly caught like the last third of 9, I will someday I'm sure, but I don't care to, cause even Episode VII that people generally liked is a horribly crafted film. They gave people a good time by regurgitating the content of Episode IV, but I have a giant petty rant about how they reused the old score but decided the moment where Rey takes up the lightsaber and turns the fight around should be accompanied by the music where Luke found his dead Aunt and Uncle. That's people just having no idea what they are doing.

Rogue One was great though.

 

[tstorm823]

I feel like there's a fun contrast with a couple current events right now, with the World Cup going on and there being story after story and video after video of travelers gushing over American food and hospitality, particularly those visiting the more rural states (not to make it partisan, like the Algerian team being "adopted" by Lawrence Kansas is not a Republican thing, that is a blue area, but it is a small city in the middle of rural America, so not a common travel experience). It's like watching years of liberal Americans whine online about America just wash away.

And then, at the same time, we have this: https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/man-charged-grant-park-cross-burning-first-court-appearance/

First generation American anti-capitalist desperate to tie all bigotry to capitalism finds alarming lack of hate symbols, so he lights up a burning cross for himself in Chicago, and is surprised to find people accusing him of racism and charging him for a hate crime. Remember everyone, if capitalist America doesn't have enough hate symbols to justify overthrowing it and replacing it with communism, you should make the hate symbols yourself, and if people think that's hateful, just tell them it was for the greater good of destroying capitalism! That's already a sort of sad-funny to me, the college-aged leftist that is deliberately trying to make the world look more like the nightmare fantasy that justifies his desired revolution. But that one guy getting charged for making faux hate crimes sitting against the backdrop of millions of international travelers experiencing joy and friendship with equally millions of Americans is quite the image.