TLOU2 Review Thread

[Houseman]

Authority: Teenage sex felt like it's a natural fact of life during the raging development period of our lives while the pervy anime games do nothing more than titiliating chuds and create a rallying cry for the censorship fight.

Claiming that "pervy anime games do nothing more than titillate chuds" (what are chuds?) is as much of a generalization as it is to say that Life is Strange 2 is just a "pervy pedophile simulator that does nothing more than allow you to play out the sex fantasy of a young Latin boy".

 

[Dreiko]

Missing the point
There's casual nudity, played for a joke or not, but that doesn't mean horny.
Horny is "anime camera angles" meme
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And if you're gonna be horny, you're gonna get pushback when your characters are kids. Which is why most pervy anime games get more pushback then actual sex scenes in western games: kids
And I really wish more sexy anime games weren't about kids. I'm still mad at Gun Gun Pixies bait and switch

Kinda missed this because of no quote and my over-reliance on notifications on this site. My bad.

See, what is "horny" is subjective. The issue is that things played as a joke for one person are horny for another. There's no clear standard. To a pedophile, an innocent beach scene featuring a loli will be horny, to a normal person it will be cute, to an anime fan or to a person familiar with Japanese culture it will be funny because they realize that there's a joke about the reaction of the pedophile in that scene but it is absurd to them all the same, hence, funny. That sort of deal. I refuse to let what pedophiles find "horny" define my perceptions of a work or let it shape its outer image. I will abide with what the normal thing one ought see when you see a child in a sexual situation in most anime; silly absurdist comedy.

Add to that the fact that the target audience is also kids and teens primarily (tons of these series are in shonen content) that are in the age group of the depicted characters, and the fact that it's all fictional drawings anyways, and there's just no point in trying to police it or censor it, it's all arbitrary. Just don't watch or read the stuff you don't like and let other people enjoy themselves in peace.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Kinda missed this because of no quote and my over-reliance on notifications on this site. My bad.

See, what is "horny" is subjective. The issue is that things played as a joke for one person are horny for another. There's no clear standard. To a pedophile, an innocent beach scene featuring a loli will be horny, to a normal person it will be cute, to an anime fan or to a person familiar with Japanese culture it will be funny because they realize that there's a joke about the reaction of the pedophile in that scene but it is absurd to them all the same, hence, funny. That sort of deal. I refuse to let what pedophiles find "horny" define my perceptions of a work or let it shape its outer image. I will abide with what the normal thing one ought see when you see a child in a sexual situation in most anime; silly absurdist comedy.

Add to that the fact that the target audience is also kids and teens primarily (tons of these series are in shonen content) that are in the age group of the depicted characters, and the fact that it's all fictional drawings anyways, and there's just no point in trying to police it or censor it, it's all arbitrary. Just don't watch or read the stuff you don't like and let other people enjoy themselves in peace.

Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken has a full on bath sequence with naked teens that wasn't horny in any way. This is a thing that is still possible.
People are meming how horny shows are. Accidental gropes of children are an anime fanservice staple.
That companies are more skittish about children being groped than adults having sex shouldn't come as a surprise.
FFS, even Know Your Meme knows they do this to sexualize their characters. Don't play dumb, it demeans us both.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Jinnytty confirms Twitch ban after The Last of Us 2 comments - Dexerto

Popular Twitch streamer Jinnytty has been hit with a 2-week ban from the site due to comments made about a character, Abby, from The Last of Us 2.

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At first I thought wow that’s harsh, since it sounded like she just mistook Abby for being trans, which would be completely understandable if you didn’t know the character. Then I watched the video in question, and from her attitude...yeah, the less web time she has the better. No wonder younger generations often have adjustment issues if they follow people like that. She kinda isn’t doing her normally highly regarded heritage any favors.

 

[BrawlMan]

At first I thought wow that’s harsh, since it sounded like she just mistook Abby for being trans, which would be completely understandable if you didn’t know the character. Then I watched the video in question, and from her attitude...yeah, the less web time she has the better. No wonder younger generations often have adjustment issues if they follow people like that. She kinda isn’t doing her normally highly regarded heritage any favors.

I've seen her before on a couple of compilation react streams. Sad to say she is like this, but she better check herself, before she wrecks herself. I may not like nor care for Abby, but what the fuck are people obsseded with seeing a muscular woman in a zombie apocalypse? I don't see these assholes complaining about muscular men in Fist of the North Star, Mad Max, and Double Dragon. Need I remind everyone that those stories all take place after a nuclear war or WWIII. What makes TLOU2 such a special case of saying "not realistic or too far fetched". People, you are dealing with fucking mushroom zombies. You have no right to complain about being realisistic, if you can suspend your disbelief for that. None of us SOR fans got upset with Estel (a muscular female cop) in Streets of Rage 4. The only thing upsetting about her that we complained about was fighting her twice. The second time just adding another reused boss to fight along with her (You have to fight two Commissioners on Hardest and Mania).

Jinnytty obviously has some projection issues, jealousy, and self hatred. I don't know what your deal is miss, but I suggest you work it out, talk to some people of different background, and start reflecting on yourself.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Claiming that "pervy anime games do nothing more than titillate chuds" (what are chuds?) is as much of a generalization as it is to say that Life is Strange 2 is just a "pervy pedophile simulator that does nothing more than allow you to play out the sex fantasy of a young Latin boy".

Chud = Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Honestly, there's full on tits-out OVAs from the '80s and '90s that are less horny than a lot of broadcast anime these days. It's weird

Anybody that gets mad that "western devs" can have sex scenes between adults but the line gets drawn at "sexy children" should probably...I don't want to say "go outside" given the circumstances, but detox from the internet for a bit at least.

95% of the "censorship" problems anime and manga have would be solved by setting the same stories at a community college instead of a high school.

People are likely actually mad at the double standards where adult characters in anime games aren't allowed to be shown to be showing skin in games on Playstation but Sony is fine with full on sex scenes in it's own games when they're not anime styled.

Hell even Nintendo aren't calling for girls to be covered up more in said games on their console. They're letting people decide to play the games or not rather than acting like moral guardians now.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

People are likely actually mad at the double standards where adult characters in anime games aren't allowed to be shown to be showing skin in games on Playstation but Sony is fine with full on sex scenes in it's own games when they're not anime styled.

Hell even Nintendo aren't calling for girls to be covered up more in said games on their console. They're letting people decide to play the games or not rather than acting like moral guardians now.

Maybe, except I haven't seen much in the way of censorship for adult characters in anime titty games. Are we talking about backsplash from also censoring underage titty in the same game?

And Ninty does plenty of editing itself. 100% sure Trouble Days is censored to hell and back. Also the one with the train lolis, though I forget it's name

 

[Houseman]

Maybe, except I haven't seen much in the way of censorship for adult characters in anime titty games. Are we talking about backsplash from also censoring underage titty in the same game?

And Ninty does plenty of editing itself. 100% sure Trouble Days is censored to hell and back

Sony censored Trish's butt in DMCV

Devil May Cry 5 Slightly Censored, But Only On PS4

Devil May Cry is known for many things: great combat, cheesy one-liners, devils that rarely, if ever, actually cry. But it’s not known for nudity. That’s made the occasional flashes of forbidden flesh all the more noticeable in Devil May Cry 5, especially given that how much nudity you see is...

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And yet, Abby's boobs and underage boobs and butt in LiS2 are a-ok. What's the difference? DMC is a Japanese-made game, while the other two are western titles.

 

[BrawlMan]

Sony censored Trish's butt in DMCV

Devil May Cry 5 Slightly Censored, But Only On PS4

Devil May Cry is known for many things: great combat, cheesy one-liners, devils that rarely, if ever, actually cry. But it’s not known for nudity. That’s made the occasional flashes of forbidden flesh all the more noticeable in Devil May Cry 5, especially given that how much nudity you see is...

kotaku.com

And yet, Abby's boobs and underage boobs and butt in LiS2 are a-ok. What's the difference? DMC is a Japanese-made game, while the other two are western titles.

I mentioned the DMC5 censorship story, but thanks anyway. Capcom would later uncensor Trish's and Lady's ass again. The funny thing is, the PC & XONE versions were censored as well, then got uncensored. Though the PC version already had a mod out to uncensored the scenes before Capcom could bother putting them back where they were.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I think one of the main differences these corps might be thinking in deciding what to censor is context. The camera angle meme speaks for itself regarding the aims of most anime T & A, whereas I doubt many people playing TLoU2 saw that sex scene and got the urge to start fapping.

 

[Dreiko]

I think one of the main differences these corps might be thinking in deciding what to censor is context. The camera angle meme speaks for itself regarding the aims of most anime T & A, whereas I doubt many people playing TLoU2 saw that sex scene and got the urge to start fapping.

Yeah that's the thing, it is the same with anime camera angles too. I doubt anyone but the most thirsty and deprived would have an urge to start fapping by looking at Aqua's butt through her veil skirt thing. It's just a thing that's there to illustrate the character as (a parody of) a hot babe with the cultural nuances that that does.

Basically, sex is good, sexiness is good, it's decorative sexiness, kinda like how you have race babes waving the start flag in tank tops and tight skirts. It's just ornamental beauty. You don't wanna start fapping at the race track, it's just something nice to lay your eyes on and be put in a good mood of fun and entertainment.


To inherently view ornamental sexuality as obscene is a remnant of puritanism. In Japan they have a different take on this and they have had it historically with geisha being both entertainers and also prostitutes and seeing sexual service as part of dining and enjoying a musical performance because these are all ways of enjoying oneself.

To single sexual elements out and make it be a lower type of enjoyment, an enjoyment that you can't enjoy in a platonic way of merely appreciating noteworthy traits of characters, is to miss Japanese culture.

 

[Houseman]

Basically, sex is good, sexiness is good, it's decorative sexiness, kinda like how you have race babes waving the start flag in tank tops and tight skirts. It's just ornamental beauty. You don't wanna start fapping at the race track, it's just something nice to lay your eyes on and be put in a good mood of fun and entertainment.

This is the best way I've ever seen it explained. Thank you for this.

 

[Dreiko]

This is the best way I've ever seen it explained. Thank you for this.

Props go to my Japanese teacher in college cause I'm paraphrasing her explanation of how Japanese people think of geisha and prostitution or sexual services. There's not this dichotomy of "FUN STUFF" and "SEXUAL FUN STUFF" that is separated by a wall of alligators on fire shooting chainshows from their tails.

It's all just the same thing. The distinction is arbitrary and unnecessary. Sexual titillation is just another form of human joy along the lines of seeing a tasty steak sizzling on a grill or listening to a beautiful song.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Maybe, except I haven't seen much in the way of censorship for adult characters in anime titty games. Are we talking about backsplash from also censoring underage titty in the same game?

And Ninty does plenty of editing itself. 100% sure Trouble Days is censored to hell and back. Also the one with the train lolis, though I forget it's name

Ninty has only done it a few times and got backlash every time so pretty much stopped.

As for Lolis......... um do you mean FIre Emblem where they're very much not Lolis?

I mean if you want an example I think it was peach Beach Splash as one of the games that got the Sony censorship treatment and the characters in that are all 18

I think one of the main differences these corps might be thinking in deciding what to censor is context. The camera angle meme speaks for itself regarding the aims of most anime T & A, whereas I doubt many people playing TLoU2 saw that sex scene and got the urge to start fapping.

I dunno if you're like Neil Druckman and have a Session wrestling fetish you might do......

 

[Specter Von Baren]

I think one of the main differences these corps might be thinking in deciding what to censor is context. The camera angle meme speaks for itself regarding the aims of most anime T & A, whereas I doubt many people playing TLoU2 saw that sex scene and got the urge to start fapping.

I don't understand why when these corporations and the people that want to censor these games have never cared about context before this.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I don't understand why when these corporations and the people that want to censor these games have never cared about context before this.

Jumping on the me too bandwagon perhaps. Things have generally gotten more sensitive culturally since outing the Hollywood sleaze balls, especially for big companies with huge legal teams.

 

[Gyrobot]

Jumping on the me too bandwagon perhaps. Things have generally gotten more sensitive culturally since outing the Hollywood sleaze balls, especially for big companies with huge legal teams.

Well people tend to forget that the first party devs for the Vita died for your Third Party games. I would like to believe that a part of it stem from how the execs are still angry they sank all the money into the Vita and the only games that came out of it resembles Steam's current upcoming game library, a bunch of garbage games with the odd anime game sowed into the mix.

Also no Monster Hunter, biggest source of shame for the Vita is not having Monster Hunter but Senran Kagura

 

[BrawlMan]

Well people tend to forget that the first party devs for the Vita died for your Third Party games. I would like to believe that a part of it stem from how the execs are still angry they sank all the money into the Vita and the only games that came out of it resembles Steam's current upcoming game library, a bunch of garbage games with the odd anime game sowed into the mix.

Also no Monster Hunter, biggest source of shame for the Vita is not having Monster Hunter but Senran Kagura

That's because the Vita was an overpriced piece of shit Sony did not know how to market or develop properly. The 3rd party games just showed idiotic Sony was being. The fact that the Vita had a better and bigger install base in Japan proves my point. It's sad that it failed in the West, and Sony stopped support with the 1st party games around 2015-16. All it shows is that you can have all of the high powered graphics in the world, but if you do not have a strong first party line up, your console or portable console is doomed to fail. It's not the 3rd party games, anime or not, that nearly caused the Vita to sinking in to an ocean of shit. That's what made the 3rd party game awesome in their own way, they did not need to boast that much power to sell at all. Also, it is a well known fact Sony can't market a portable console for crap (PSP ring any bells?). The Vita had some of the worst digital services and memory/SD card had to be Sony brands only. The 3DS had none of that baggage. Capcom not putting the Monster Hunter franchise on a doomed portable console was one of their smartest business decisions during their dork age. If anything, Sony should be thanking all the 3rd party companies for keeping the Vita afloat for as long as it did, you ungrateful bastardly ingrates.

 

[Gyrobot]

That's because the Vita was an overpriced piece of shit Sony did not know how to market or develop properly. The 3rd party games just showed idiotic Sony was being. The fact that the Vita had a better and bigger install base in Japan proves my point. It's sad that it failed in the West, and Sony stopped support with the 1st party games around 2015-16. All it shows is that you can have all of the high powered graphics in the world, but if you do not have a strong first party line up, your console or portable console is doomed to fail. It's not the 3rd party games, anime or not, that nearly caused the Vita to sinking in to an ocean of shit. That's what made the 3rd party game awesome in their own way, they did not need to boast that much power to sell at all. Also, it is a well known fact Sony can't market a portable console for crap (PSP ring any bells?). The Vita had some of the worst digital services and memory/SD card had to be Sony brands only. The 3DS had none of that baggage. Capcom not putting the Monster Hunter franchise on a doomed portable console was one of their smartest business decisions during their dork age. If anything, Sony should be thanking all the 3rd party companies for keeping the Vita afloat for as long as it did, you ungrateful bastardly ingrates.

And the kind of third party games is not what Sony wanted, they wanted Metal Gear, Yakuza and AAA Third Party Games, not underage panty quests and shit that gets bad reviews and the press headaches having to review garbage games for chuds. I admit though, part of my hostility towards the haters for TLOU2 was from my previous years of animosity from their defense of the Vita games back in the day, especially when they had anime avatars