It cannot be overstated how inadequate the Democrats are.
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Bernie/Biden task force presents suggestions
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Perfect. No chance to fight for progressive values with the platform, and the answer to millions of Americans going down the drain is to cut their money to pay their lawyer friends instead. The Dem party summarized perfectly.
So given the options of
1. Pass nothing and literally let people go without any assistance
2. Pass something that Republicans will also pass to give people some relief even if its not a lot
you'd rather option 1? That's the humanitarian choice?
You do realize they control literally just 1/2 of 1/3 of the government, right?
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The biggest problem?
He wasn't up to the task, sure, though I'd say that was far from obvious in 2015, before Corbyn won the highest voteshare in several electoral cycles. And his personal failings aren't on the same levels as the failings of, say, the current Prime Minister. They tend to be overstated in retrospective analyses.
So internal sabotage is not the biggest factor in Labour's loss. It would be sheer complacency to say otherwise. But the biggest problem with internal sabotage was not that it "provided an excuse". It was a grotesque betrayal of trust perpetrated against voters, and a subversion of the democratic process. It is principally identical to stuffing the ballot box, in that it co-opts voters into voting against their own interests. It should be the subject of criminal investigation.
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I'm not sure really fraud applies to the political world in the way it does anywhere else.
In a sense, no.
However, in the sense that the public broadly like and support the PM even whilst they think he's an untrustworthy tosser, one could say the PM is well ahead of the ex-Labour leader. I mean, despite all the verifiable cock-ups in less than a year, Boris has an approval rating of -5, a mere tenth of what Jezza ended up on. It's not just that, but Labour also pays a long-term cost for Corbyn, in the sense that people will blame the party for him and that's going to be a lot of why Labour is still about seven points down. After all: who is the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? That's going to be a lot of trust that needs to be rebuilt.
Johnson may of course yet ruin himself (and by extension his party). I think the way they're going with Brexit, 2021 is going to a really bad year for the Tories, but unfortunately that's because the whole UK's going to get it in the neck.
Since Biden has stated he also intends to “lock up the anarchists” that are literally the only people doing fuck all to fight the gestapo in their streets, alongside the recent bizarre failings of the DNC to support any popular policies that aren’t fiendishly means tested and easily sabotaged, I’m thinking about reversing that planned vote for the guy who was supposed to be my hope to slow down our rapid descent into madness, since his platform will accomplish none of that and will mean the people who made his own election physically possible are all thrown in jail.
Edit - in case it gets brought up again, I’m not an anarchist. I just actually read the “first they came for...” poem and took it to heart as how one avoids fascism. Nobody else did I guess.
Edit - in case it gets brought up again, I’m not an anarchist. I just actually read the “first they came for...” poem and took it to heart as how one avoids fascism. Nobody else did I guess.
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I'm pretty sure the "humanitarian" choice isn't paying for lawyers to explain to millions of people why they can't help them avoid eviction.
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No, it’s the HR choice, which is all the Dems are. They’re trying to HR-ify fascism. That’s the dream. Make oppression of the masses a personal problem where we just need to build up our connections and interpersonal skills, apply ourselves better, smile more, and maybe then we’ll be let out of the fucking death camps. That’s the goddamn dream, ID BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR
WHAT IF AUSCHWITZ HAD A COMPLAINTS DEPARTMENT IM SURE THAT THE HOLOCAUST WOULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH BETTER IF EVERYONE FELT HEARD YKNOW THAT WAS THE ISSUE WITH HITLER HE DIDNT REALLY LISTEN TO CRITICISM WELL
It is mighty tempting, especially as the DNC voted against supporting M4A and against making weed legal (even though it's currently legal in about 1/4 the damn country).
As dirty as I'd feel voting for Biden, I'd feel too unclean voting for Trump. I'll almost certainly be voting Third Party again as The DNC has once again determined it would rather try to catch all these so-called Republicans who hate Trump rather than even pretend to try to work for Progressive issues (even if both of those issues in M4A and Weed are overwhelmingly supported by Democrats and hell, a good chunk of Republicans too so two birds one stone DNC!).
I'm still voting Biden. If nothing else, it'll be easier emigrating out if Trump isn't in the Whitehouse for 4 more years.
and that's fine, I don't fault people if they wish to vote for Biden (whether that be because they actually believe in Biden or if it's just a "Lesser of Two Evils" vote; I'm not sure how anyone under the age of 60 would actually be excited to vote for Biden but they probably exist somewhere!).
I'm not going to be one of them as I do not believe in Biden at all with what he has given as his policy and I'm personally just done with the "Lesser of Two Evils" voting. I just don't get why The DNC is so against supporting things that the vast majority of their own constituents support. It boggles my tiny little brain.
We are living in a Robot Chicken skit, yes.
Thinkin BIG thoughts man.Join us on the flipping the bird side, Revnak.
When Republican voters poll higher on Medicare For All and Marijuana Legalization than the Democratic National Convention, there's only 2 conclusions to reach
1) the Democratic Party, as an organization, is okay with the idea of a second Donald J Trump term and getting Biden a win would be an actual annoyance
or
2) the Democratic Party is so craven and stupid that they think this will finally stop the far-right from calling them commun-Marxist-anarco-socialist-islamo-antifa traitors, which it won't.
I mean, Democrats are easier to bully so in this particular election they have my vote, but having two right-wing parties isn't gonna last for long
1) the Democratic Party, as an organization, is okay with the idea of a second Donald J Trump term and getting Biden a win would be an actual annoyance
or
2) the Democratic Party is so craven and stupid that they think this will finally stop the far-right from calling them commun-Marxist-anarco-socialist-islamo-antifa traitors, which it won't.
I mean, Democrats are easier to bully so in this particular election they have my vote, but having two right-wing parties isn't gonna last for long
Perhaps not in a sense of defrauding the public. But I'd have thought it provided evidence of defrauding their employers: acting secretly against the purposes for which they were employed, and against their employers' interests.