Donald and Melania Trump Test Positive for Covid

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It's irritating to me to see you keep being passive aggressive about it.

I think that this specific topic deserves it's own thread over a general coronavirus thread as this is not just about coronavius, it's about a specific individual and the effect it can have on the election (not a coronavirus topic) and the presidency (also not a coronavirus topic)
I didn't think I was being passive aggressive, I thought I was being rather blunt. The pandemic thread talks about MANY world leaders who have gotten it too. UK leaders, Brazil and many other people just as important as Trump. They talked about the impacts in their nations there as well.

People were calling for Brazils leader to die, even more so than for Trump..
 
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Yea I had already talked about that on the first thread about this here..
Yeah, pretty much what I was thinking, basically this sucks, he dies we lose, he survives we lose.
Everything's bullshit.

The only reason why I think him dying could be a good thing is that I'm not fully convinced Pence has the same level of following as Trump which could lose the campaign a lot of momentum which could cost them the race, but then again Biden doesn't have the same level of following as Trump either sot it'd still be a coin flip and who knows with his death the MAGA people might go absolutely nuts.

Like seriously US politics right now are so bad they remind me of Mexican politics, it'd be funny if it wasn't ridiculously scary with the USA being one of the richest and most powerful nations and whatnot.

Well anyways, I'm busy fighting Mexican fascists, which yes it's a thing, yes they're white and just so you know they want us to return to the glory days of Francisco Franco, you know from Spain, because that makes sense.
 
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Yeah, pretty much what I was thinking, basically this sucks, he dies we lose, he survives we lose.
Everything's bullshit.

The only reason why I think him dying could be a good thing is that I'm not fully convinced Pence has the same level of following as Trump which could lose the campaign a lot of momentum which could cost them the race, but then again Biden doesn't have the same level of following as Trump either sot it'd still be a coin flip and who knows with his death the MAGA people might go absolutely nuts.

Like seriously US politics right now are so bad they remind me of Mexican politics, it'd be funny if it wasn't ridiculously scary with the USA being one of the richest and most powerful nations and whatnot.

Well anyways, I'm busy fighting Mexican fascists, which yes it's a thing, yes they're white and just so you know they want us to return to the glory days of Francisco Franco, you know from Spain, because that makes sense.
AND to make it worse, Due to the sheer wealth and power of the US, what happens here also disproportionately affects your country as well. The reality is the US has too little corruption laws so it allowed these things to be so bad when someone as corrupt as trump gets control. Pence is worse than Trump because he is a religious extremist bigot who tries to do things and hides what he is doing from public view and then directly just lies to people telling them it was good when it was horrific. He is like a snake. Trump is like a bull in a china shop so everyone sees the mess he is making. Pence is the snake hiding and people do not realize what he has done until it is too late. Pence 100% supports forcing his religious beliefs onto the general population, is 100% pro corporate, banks and the wealthy, is pro war, pro killing Muslims, He doesn't even think women and men should be allowed to work together, and believes women's place is in the home. He even refuses to meet with women in a work environment alone and does not hire women to work with him because he does not believe that is a " woman's place".


He is a nightmare no matter what issue it is. He pretty much makes my stomach turn. If Pence were in control during women's rights movement, women would never have been allowed to work or vote.
 

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So, what are the chances he's lying about this and using it as a way to fish for sympathy and excuse himself from the next debate?
As a reflection of how debased political standards are these days, I find that this is depressingly credible. Fake claim of infection, and when he sails through fine, uses this as an argument for how amazing he is and how he was right all along that infection control was for stupid, weak, worry-warts.

It's difficult: the problem is that elites usually never suffer for the misery their failings heap on others. In that sense, Trump's mishandling of the pandemic and the consequent unnecessary deaths of thousands of deaths of US citizens would be fairly rewarded with own death. On the other hand, it's a little ghoulish to wish death on people, and for the most part I don't think it would be useful. I would rather he resoundingly lost an election, as a statement that his sort of shit should not be tolerated. A week or two in an ICU, though... that might be appropriate to concentrate people's minds on the risk.
 
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As a reflection of how debased political standards are these days, I find that this is depressingly credible. Fake claim of infection, and when he sails through fine, uses this as an argument for how amazing he is and how he was right all along that infection control was for stupid, weak, worry-warts.

It's difficult: the problem is that elites usually never suffer for the misery their failings heap on others. In that sense, Trump's mishandling of the pandemic and the consequent unnecessary deaths of thousands of deaths of US citizens would be fairly rewarded with own death. On the other hand, it's a little ghoulish to wish death on people, and for the most part I don't think it would be useful. I would rather he resoundingly lost an election, as a statement that his sort of shit should not be tolerated. A week or two in an ICU, though... that might be appropriate to concentrate people's minds on the risk.
OTOH, we wouldn't have to worry about him refusing a peaceful transition of power or calling for armed bigots to intimidate people at the polls, BUT we would have the conspiracy nuts saying the "Deep State" controlled by Hillary Clinton really assassinated him and covered it up with fake COVID-19.
 

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I hope he has a really hard time with this, but comes out the other end okay but with some empathy.

Basically I want him to get christmas caroled.
 
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I hope he has a really hard time with this, but comes out the other end okay but with some empathy.
I think he'd need years of psychotherapy to get his empathy up.

As I understand it, sociopaths lack empathy and won't improve. They can be taught empathy to understand at an intellectual level: the problem is that because they genuinely do not care about other people, malevolent ones will simply be taught how to better manipulate other people for their own benefit. Narcissists however have suppressed empathy rather than incapability, and potentially - with the right intervention - could have it developed. However, in practice, no-one seeks therapy unless they want/need it, which usually means that things go so wrong they realise they have to fix them: and Trump's wealth and ability to cheat his way out of error has insulated him from that sort of failure.
 

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I think he'd need years of psychotherapy to get his empathy up.

As I understand it, sociopaths lack empathy and won't improve. They can be taught empathy to understand at an intellectual level: the problem is that because they genuinely do not care about other people, malevolent ones will simply be taught how to better manipulate other people for their own benefit. Narcissists however have suppressed empathy rather than incapability, and potentially - with the right intervention - could have it developed. However, in practice, no-one seeks therapy unless they want/need it, which usually means that things go so wrong they realise they have to fix them: and Trump's wealth and ability to cheat his way out of error has insulated him from that sort of failure.
I am not convinced that psychotherapy would actually work on him regardless. In his case, he may actually just want to harm others rather than just being indifferent. Others being harmed may actually bring him pleasure instead, and that it isn't that he doesn't understand other's hurting, I think it is possible he does, but WANTS them to be harmed instead. according to his former Chief of Staff for Secretary of Homeland Security, Miles Taylor said that was exactly the case. His former Chief of Staff for Secretary of Homeland Security said he hated and despised the poor and his opposition to the point he was actively seeking to harm them and could care less if it was illegal or not.
 
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Oh I don't believe he'll actually get christmas caroled, but if I have to choose between the two fantasies of him dying or becoming a better person, I pick better person.
It seemed to work better for Boris Johnson to some extent. Though he started to get comfortable again when he thought he was immune until he found out it is possible he could get it again after 4 months, then he wanted to shut everything down again and have them arrested,..


 
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Hopefully he dies. And hopefully a whole host of people at the top of our government go with him.
 

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You know if Trump, and everyone around him wore " the biggest mask I've ever seen" as Trump mocked Biden for, he wouldn't have this problem right now.
 

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I am not convinced that psychotherapy would actually work on him regardless. In his case, he may actually just want to harm others rather than just being indifferent. Others being harmed may actually bring him pleasure instead, and that it isn't that he doesn't understand other's hurting, I think it is possible he does, but WANTS them to be harmed instead. according to his former Chief of Staff for Secretary of Homeland Security, Miles Taylor said that was exactly the case. His former Chief of Staff for Secretary of Homeland Security said he hated and despised the poor and his opposition to the point he was actively seeking to harm them and could care less if it was illegal or not.
Narcissists are frequently unpleasant or difficult, but they aren't necessarily malicious. I think Trump is malicious, domineering, vindictive: his record of bullying, his rule-breaking, his mockery of people weaker than him, his sister describing him as "cruel". I think a lot of that could potentially be changed, but not without sufficient motivation. It's not clear to me what that motivation could be - he's too rich and too powerful to ever fall in the way us hoi polloi can. Even a Trump that had a business crisis and downsized to mere hundreds of millions would still be a vastly rich and powerful man able to lord it over the masses. He'd still be rich and powerful if jailed for fraud and placed in a 5* prison for the elites (although I'm sure a convenient "health problem" and his age would be leveraged for some sort of house arrest or parole). Humiliating, sure. But not a catastrophe.
 

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Trump didn't just test positive, he tested more positive than anyone else has ever done, doctors are amazed at how positive he's tested.

I'm sure you've seen that joke at least twice before, but there's no rule against me doing it as well.
Hopefully he dies. And hopefully a whole host of people at the top of our government go with him.
If he dies before the election and Pence does not, Pence gets to distance himself from the obnoxious buffoonery until the election, but keep the calculated cruelty and maybe win without even having to cheat.

OTOH, if Trump dies and Pence becomes the candidate but then tests positive the day before the election or something there'd be a kerfuffle.
 
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Pence gets to distance himself from the obnoxious buffoonery until the election, but keep the calculated cruelty and maybe win without even having to cheat.
I think you overestimate how much people who weren't already anti-Trump care about the shallow aesthetics.
 

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Well, this will be interesting. Given his health I wonder whether he'll make it. That said he has probably the best possible medical care, even if he does seem the type to ignore it. Bets on whether he takes hydroxychloroquine?
Hopefully this isn't a lie to hide from the debate. And I hope he and the majority of Congress will die from it.
 

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Like seriously US politics right now are so bad they remind me of Mexican politics, it'd be funny if it wasn't ridiculously scary with the USA being one of the richest and most powerful nations and whatnot.
I always viewed America and Mexico to be somewhat similar. They are countries with good resources and potential, but they are always undermined by short term greedy people and an ignorant public.