Election results discussion thread (and sadly the inevitable aftermath)
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It's been a campaign saying that the election were fraudulent, usually without any evidence. Trump claiming fraudulence has been like most of his claims - made up
It's never been about how well the election were run.
Well, it should at least be verifiable. 2 + 2 = 5 is verifiable, it's either true or it's false.
If it's an unverifiable claim about the election's security, then it's a bad look for the election. That just means that security isn't sufficient to verify whether or not fraud happened.
A claim that there may have been undetectable unprovable fraud is an unverifiable claim and is nothing like 2+2=5.
A claim that "the election was handled so poorly, so that nobody can be sure of who really won", however, should be verifiable.
Because fuck it, why not?
If the past four years have taught us anything then it's that subpoenas are laughable.
Might as well ignore them for the heck of it, lots of people seemed fine with it.
Because people like you will take the fact that the server has a power plug as sign the illuminati rigged the election for Democrats...
Remember the saying: "Don't feed the troll"
What unverifiable opinion? The facts of what I'm saying are undisputed and verifiable. The state court ordered late ballots to count. It ordered signature mismatches be ignored. The court declared undated ballots that arrived within 3 days would be counted. The court rejected the request for poll watchers. These things were challenged, and the courts rejected the challenges. These are neither unverifiable nor opinions.
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Counties cannot reject mail ballots because of mismatched signatures, Pa. Supreme Court rules
The high court’s unanimous ruling makes it far less likely there will be drawn out challenges to mail-in ballots based on signatures come Election Day.
www.inquirer.com
Late-arriving mail-in ballots count in Pennsylvania, for now
HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Mail-in ballots received by Pennsylvania counties within three days of polls closing will count, the presidential battleground state's top election official said Thursday, although she cautioned that more litigation could change that.
apnews.com
Supreme Court Rules Pennsylvania Can Count Ballots Received After Election Day
Pennsylvania Republicans had sought to block the counting of late-arriving ballots, which the state's Supreme Court had approved last month.
www.npr.org
Trump's Bid For Philly Poll Watchers Rejected By Pa. Court - Law360
A Pennsylvania appeals court on Friday rejected arguments from President Donald Trump's reelection campaign that poll watchers should be allowed to monitor new satellite election offices in Philadelphia where voters have been able to request, complete and return mail-in ballots.
www.law360.com
Let's make sure we're all starting off on the same page:
What role, if any, should the judiciary take in granting relief when the legislature has unnecessarily and/or unfairly prevented citizens from exercising their constitutional rights (both state and federal)?
That is a hyper-loaded question, and we'd have to spend a long, long time grinding out what constitutes all of those terms, but that's not necessary because I don't want to start on the same page here. This isn't the start of the argument. This is the end. The other party in the argument contended the PA legislature made the contentious rules. They did not. This is not disputable. As far as which of these actions were appropriate and which were not, I have my opinions certainly, but I have neither desire nor need to convince you all to agree with me on those.
The courts rewrote the voting laws by court order. They did so in ways that were by no means required of them, regardless of whether they were appropriate changes. And any change desired by one of the two presidential campaigns to account for their change in rules was rejected. Some of the changes seem appropriate to me (though would have been far preferred through legislation), and some seem decidedly not appropriate (allowing polling places without any contemporaneous accountability at all), but those are just my opinion. What isn't my opinion, what isn't up for debate, is that election officials and the Pennsylvania courts behaved with spiteful partisanship. The PA Supreme Court has 7 justices, 5 of whom are Democrats. When a lower court told Philadelphia they couldn't partition poll watchers far from the ballots, the supreme court of PA voted in that exact partisan split to allow the practice. What possible interpretation is there for that other than "we have the power, so we do whatever we want"? I don't need to care if what they want to do is appropriate when the things they do are obvious partisan power-trips. No policy is good enough to make partisan power-trips acceptable.
Yup. I guess there's no reason to vote in the Senatorial elections then... Best make sure everyone knows not to waste their time.
Yes, that's exactly the effect that uncertainty about the security of the election has on people. "If there's going to be fraud just like last time, why even bother voting?"
Lol, this dude is still screaming at clouds and pretending that Trump is a victim of voter fraud. At what point does this become super sad, I wonder...
So they think someone used the same name and signature for hundreds of ballots? Wouldn't it be easier to generate a list of fake names and use those instead of the one name over and over again?
What's unverifiable opinion is that these were arbitrary decisions made to spite Trump, as opposed to legally appropriate measures in terms of the laws of state and country.
It's hilarious that their desperation for clear cases of fraud require them to come up with the dumbest stories imaginable. Like, again, the biden Harris van pulling up and changing votes in broad daylight.
Oh noes, someone explaining people what their task at hand is based on the current process/demands, such a scandal! Seriously wtf?
Don't mind me, just here to claim the 4000th post. On to 5000.
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