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Ladies and Gentlemen, one of the greatest thrillers ever.

The sounding of caller lock and loading the rifle is scarier then anything in a proper horror movie.
Considering it's an old script Albert Hitchcock never got off the ground when he was alive, you know it's going to be great careful hands. I never saw it theaters, but got it on DVD later. My mom loves the shit of this movie.
 

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The Midnight Sky (2020)

So then, at the end, one of the crew having died on the way, the captain of the ship goes back to the irradiated Earth on a lander to see if he can find his family (already sick and probably dead), with one of the other crew members despondent about the death of the other crew member, leaving Sully and the other crew member (her baby's father) to go back to the moon and raise their child and give humanity another shot. Now, I think, maybe, there's a hint from the film that other ships went out there and so there are other humans on this moon. If not, the human race is boned anyway, because the lack of genetic diversity with just one set of parents will probably doom the human race through inbreeding anyway.
If it doesn't "reveal" at the end that the new place is called Earth and that the survivors include/consist of people named Adam and Eve it's a step above a lot of similar stories.
 
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Forgot to include regarding Tenet:

It's some of the worst sound mixing I've ever heard in a movie. I had to constantly fiddle with the volume because conversations are completely inaudible, but the action is deafening. I'm not sure how anyone watched this in theaters and heard any of the dialogue.
 
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Oh, and recently watched the original Star Wars films (or at least one of the zillion editions of them). Spoilers in case people haven't seen them, which is not actually impossible.

Hey, you know how in the original Han shoots Greedo, but in the newer versions Greedo shoots the wall first and then Han shoots him? Is it just me, or do complaints about that change totally overshadow that it's quite a good scene either way? No over the top galaxy is at stake rubbish, two criminal types in a bar talking about one killing the other. We want Han to win because we've seen him for five minutes, and Greedo is being more evil, but not excessively so, and as he's got his weapon drawn Han is the underdog. Han then kills him sneakily as a way of introducing the character as a sneaky killer (though later contradicted by much of the later killing he does which isn't sneaky). Well done, IMHO.

Also, then watched the sequel trilogy. And, I think there's a lot to like there. Mixed in with more to hate, but there's good stuff. The bit at the end of the second one when the kid are inspired by stories of the resistance/rebellion/rwhatever could have been in a real movie. Also, apparently the guy making the second film said that Ren saying Rey's parents were nobodies was intended to get rid of all that bloodlines stuff, and say that you could come from a humble background and still do great things. Which, ok, that's legit a decent message. Pity that the next movie was done by someone else who didn't care at all about any of that, and just had some families are better than others. I mean, yes, the Empire/First Order/Final Order is a tad fascist, but still, you don't have to say that that fascist ideal is correct.
 

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Oh, and recently watched the original Star Wars films (or at least one of the zillion editions of them). Spoilers in case people haven't seen them, which is not actually impossible.

Hey, you know how in the original Han shoots Greedo, but in the newer versions Greedo shoots the wall first and then Han shoots him? Is it just me, or do complaints about that change totally overshadow that it's quite a good scene either way? No over the top galaxy is at stake rubbish, two criminal types in a bar talking about one killing the other. We want Han to win because we've seen him for five minutes, and Greedo is being more evil, but not excessively so, and as he's got his weapon drawn Han is the underdog. Han then kills him sneakily as a way of introducing the character as a sneaky killer (though later contradicted by much of the later killing he does which isn't sneaky). Well done, IMHO.
Hey, just asking a question. How many times did Han act in a 'sneaky killer' way in the rest of New Hope?
 

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Hey, just asking a question. How many times did Han act in a 'sneaky killer' way in the rest of New Hope?
Very little, he says "Bring it/them on, I prefer a straight fight to all this sneaking around". Shortly before the bit where he runs after a Stormtrooper and sees a lot of them and decides he doesn't want a straight fight.

But there's the "Can you give us a hand down there?" part where they lure stormtroopers up and they get their uniforms, infiltrating the prison and pretending to be an Imperial when radioing about weapons discharge. Only the latter is it just him, though, though with the second he immediately agrees with Luke's idea..

But now that I think of it, yeah, might be my interpretation of a gun carrying smuggler, rather than what was on the screen.

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Oh, and saw Jumanji (the original Robin Williams one), followed by the two reboots (not seen the space one). Forgotten how bleak the original was in parts, though people got a happy ending, there's actually quite a bit about how things aren't fun for the original players, one being in therapy and the other losing their parents. Still holds up well today, despite some bad 90s US comedy bits, very different feel to the later ones. Not usually a Robin Williams fan, but it works, though I think he overshadows the other characters. The special effects are quite decent for the time.
 

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I think the furor around the change with Greedo shooting first stems from the fact that it radically alters Han's character in this regard. If Han shoots first he's a cold-blooded pragmatist who will do anything to save his own skin, which makes his later redemption when he comes back to save Luke a greater transformation. If Greedo shoots first, Han is just some guy who was lucky that Greedo is a terrible gunman.
I've seen that argued, but I don't see shooting some guy who is pointing a gun at you and talking (at some length) about how he is going to enjoy killing you as a particularly morally questionable thing to do. Pretty sure every single individual stormtrooper they shoot doesn't have to get a shot off first to justify it, even if Greedo has a name and a few lines which the stormtroopers don't.
 

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I think the furor around the change with Greedo shooting first stems from the fact that it radically alters Han's character in this regard. If Han shoots first he's a cold-blooded pragmatist who will do anything to save his own skin, which makes his later redemption when he comes back to save Luke a greater transformation. If Greedo shoots first, Han is just some guy who was lucky that Greedo is a terrible gunman.
The problem is... for the rest of the movie Han does not act like his introduction
 

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Forgot to include regarding Tenet:

It's some of the worst sound mixing I've ever heard in a movie. I had to constantly fiddle with the volume because conversations are completely inaudible, but the action is deafening. I'm not sure how anyone watched this in theaters and heard any of the dialogue.
I can't speak for everyone, but I rarely had to change the volume when watching the film.
 

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I really don't think it has anything to do with being morally questionable, but rather showing that Han thinks fast under pressure and is ready to use extreme methods if it saves his hide. That is consistent with how he tricks the Stormtroopers later in ANH, his gambit to force two Star Destroyers on a collision course in ESB etc.. But with Greedo shooting first, Han is no longer a pragmatic quick thinker, he's just a lucky dude. But it is also apparent that George Lucas felt it was a morally dubious thing for Han to do, hence why it got changed.
Ah, ok, that makes sense.
 

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Forgot to include regarding Tenet:

It's some of the worst sound mixing I've ever heard in a movie. I had to constantly fiddle with the volume because conversations are completely inaudible, but the action is deafening. I'm not sure how anyone watched this in theaters and heard any of the dialogue.
And that appears to have been intentional. A very odd choice. The boy bought me the 4K disc which I put on VUDU. We all watched it from there and I had to tell him and friends this was not my sound systems problem but intentional on the part of the film makers. I posted the youtube "Pitch Meeting" about this earlier. I showed them that after the movie and they liked it more. It includes poking fun at this odd sound choice.
 

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Oh, and recently watched the original Star Wars films (or at least one of the zillion editions of them). Spoilers in case people haven't seen them, which is not actually impossible.

Hey, you know how in the original Han shoots Greedo, but in the newer versions Greedo shoots the wall first and then Han shoots him? Is it just me, or do complaints about that change totally overshadow that it's quite a good scene either way? No over the top galaxy is at stake rubbish, two criminal types in a bar talking about one killing the other. We want Han to win because we've seen him for five minutes, and Greedo is being more evil, but not excessively so, and as he's got his weapon drawn Han is the underdog. Han then kills him sneakily as a way of introducing the character as a sneaky killer (though later contradicted by much of the later killing he does which isn't sneaky). Well done, IMHO.
Yes, and that's why people are mostly annoyed with the edit, because it undermines Han's entire arc of being a scoundrel/scum/criminal, and eventually becoming a hero by the end of the film. To have Greedo shoot first, makes it "self defense", and thus he's not a "bad guy", and thus it's ok to sell action figures of him to your kids without it implying bad behavior to emulate. Or at least that was always my take on why. That in the subsequent decades, as is the case with star wars fans, they obsessed over a tiny detail, until it blew up into something larger and insane. And so they had to react. It's why we have that horrible film Rogue One, to "answer the question" that didn't even need to be answered, because you don't NEED a secreted flaw in a construction the size of a GODDAMN MOOOON! We've seen that working construction for the Empire is....high risk to say the least, given the way the guy in charge of death star 2 in Return reacts to the Emperor's schedule. The Empire used fear and intimidation to get shit done, on ridiculous time tables. I can guarantee you that safety features and corners were cut so much it's insane. "Just make it work! If Vader force chokes me because we didn't meet the deadline, I'm choking you lot first!!" Is probably something shouted by tons of Imperial supervisors during construction of both machines. But hey, fans won't shut up about it for decades, and make really stupid videos on youtube, trying to point out how dumb it is to be built like that. So boom, they shat out Rogue One. To insert sabotage, when "simple human error and oversight" work just fine.

I suspect, the Han Shot First curfuffle is of the same vein.

But yes, that scene, in itself, is a really good way to quickly establish Han's nature and the world he operates in. I also love, not just how Han reacts, but how the rest of the cantina does. The music stops for a few seconds, everyone looks over, but, when seeing that the issue is resolved, and there is no more threat, they just....shrug and go back to their drinks, and the music, because clearly this shit happens regularly. And Han just tosses the barkeep some money, apologizes for the mess, and leaves. And that's ok. It's a great scene.
 
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I really don't think it has anything to do with being morally questionable, but rather showing that Han thinks fast under pressure and is ready to use extreme methods if it saves his hide. That is consistent with how he tricks the Stormtroopers later in ANH, his gambit to force two Star Destroyers on a collision course in ESB etc.. But with Greedo shooting first, Han is no longer a pragmatic quick thinker, he's just a lucky dude. But it is also apparent that George Lucas felt it was a morally dubious thing for Han to do, hence why it got changed.
I had heard/read that had that scene been left unaltered the movie would have be re-rated to PG-13 and Lucas wanted to keep the PG rating.
 
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I had heard/read that had that scene been left unaltered the movie would have be re-rated to PG-13 and Lucas wanted to keep the PG rating.
That wouldn't surprise me. The reason Luke's saber is green in Return of the Jedi, instead of blue again, is entirely due to the fact that in editing and effects, the blue color wasn't standing out against the blue sky of the desert scenes at the start of the film. So, boom, green, contrasts better.

But you ask a star wars fanatic? It's because green is the color of a jedi knight! Indicating they've graduated from rookie status to actual badass! ......yeah, suuuuure pal, let's just asspull more fanfic wank and make it canon, because of course the fans debated "yeah but why is it green?! WHAT DOES IT MEAAAAAN?!?" for decades. And then just, some EU writer made up something and Lucasarts was like "yeah sure, fuck it, whatever, we don't care."

I love star wars, but damn do I grow more tired of the fanbase as the years go on. I'm tired of randomly searching for a clip of one of the films on YT, to suddenly have my suggestions bombarded by white kneckbeard dudes railing about the SJW agenda of Disney/SW, and how it's DESTROYED, coupled with extreme whiney faces of the cast, usually Daisy Ridley, taken out of context. I just, *sighs* so tired of it. SW means a lot to me, but when you make it mean THAT much to you, you have a problem and need to go see therapy.
 

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But you ask a star wars fanatic? It's because green is the color of a jedi knight! Indicating they've graduated from rookie status to actual badass! ......yeah, suuuuure pal, let's just asspull more fanfic wank and make it canon, because of course the fans debated "yeah but why is it green?! WHAT DOES IT MEAAAAAN?!?" for decades. And then just, some EU writer made up something and Lucasarts was like "yeah sure, fuck it, whatever, we don't care."
I always felt that the lightsaber blade color has meaning thing was asinine, particularly the part where "all Sith have red lightsabers always!".
I much preferred the explanation/idea that the color of the blade depended on the crystal used in the weapon. That's why Leia's was ruby red, Jaina Solo's was amethyst, Jacen Solo's was emerald green, Lowie's was molten bronze, Tenel Ka's first lightsaber was white with gold sparks and her second was turquoise. Still remember these decades after the last time I read the Young Jedi Knight series.
 
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That wouldn't surprise me. The reason Luke's saber is green in Return of the Jedi, instead of blue again, is entirely due to the fact that in editing and effects, the blue color wasn't standing out against the blue sky of the desert scenes at the start of the film. So, boom, green, contrasts better.

But you ask a star wars fanatic? It's because green is the color of a jedi knight! Indicating they've graduated from rookie status to actual badass! ......yeah, suuuuure pal, let's just asspull more fanfic wank and make it canon, because of course the fans debated "yeah but why is it green?! WHAT DOES IT MEAAAAAN?!?" for decades. And then just, some EU writer made up something and Lucasarts was like "yeah sure, fuck it, whatever, we don't care."

I love star wars, but damn do I grow more tired of the fanbase as the years go on. I'm tired of randomly searching for a clip of one of the films on YT, to suddenly have my suggestions bombarded by white kneckbeard dudes railing about the SJW agenda of Disney/SW, and how it's DESTROYED, coupled with extreme whiney faces of the cast, usually Daisy Ridley, taken out of context. I just, *sighs* so tired of it. SW means a lot to me, but when you make it mean THAT much to you, you have a problem and need to go see therapy.
Star Wars, or any movie or media, shouldn't be an identity
 

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I always felt that the lightsaber blade color has meaning thing was asinine, particularly the part where "all Sith have red lightsabers always!".
I much preferred the explanation/idea that the color of the blade depended on the crystal used in the weapon.
Same, or possibly it depends on who made the thing and with what tools/materials. Luke constructed his own lightsabre, possibly without much practice, offscreen with probably limited resources, it's not outlandish for it to look different to other people's.
 
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