Discuss and Rate the Last Film You Watched

[happyninja42]

It does make you wonder, as much as everyone hates the Sequels these days, will time change people's minds? I personally can't see my opinions on the movies themselves changing much, but I think the characters and the setting can still be redeemed.

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People are already changing their minds on the PT, particularly around the time the new trilogy came out. You saw a LOT of video essays that boiled down to "The PT wasn't that bad." or "Are they are bad as I remember?" etc. I don't remember every seriously hating the PT, other than certain individual plot points and writing/directing choices at times. But I recall my overall feelings as just "meh....they kinda sucked but, oh well." I've actually softened from that stance as the years have gone by. I mean yeah they aren't great, but there are a MILLION worse scifi movies out there. They don't do a whole lot for the franchise canon, as the questions they answer, REALLY didn't NEED to be answered. The acting was spotty and stilted but, again, eh.

I think all 3 actually have scenes that are genuinely good when taken individually. I just think that overall, they don't add up to a fun experience for me

 

[Samtemdo8]

Less about connectivity and quality and more about DC's dumpster fire approach to a shared universe from the very beginning. There's pros and cons to having either standalones or a cinematic universe, but I think we can all agree that DC didn't take a single right step into making the DCEU work. And now that they're stuck with their said dumpster fire, some of their movies afterward are being affected. Such as Wonder Woman 1984, the fact that it's set in the same world as as other DCEU movies makes it an even worse movie.

Reboot then?

 

[SupahEwok]

Every DCEU movie has tied into the larger universe to at least some extent (haven't seen WW84, so maybe that's changed), so it's a false dichotomy between connectivity and quality.

How did Aquaman do so?

 

[happyninja42]

How did Aquaman do so?

They mentioned, VERY offhandedly the events of Justice League, specifically in the scene where the princess saves Aquaman by doing some god tier water bending, and they have that conversation by the truck. I think it's the first time they meet? yeah, here it is

That's the only one I noticed, and I didn't even see JL. They might have name dropped some other stuff, but I didn't catch it if they did.

ok well immediately prior to that, the bar scene, the bikers kind of allude to it "you that fish boy on the tv?"

I just rewatched that bar scene, and that was the point that I genuinely fell in love with the film. I was like "oh, ok this is the tone of this film. got it. I'm on board for this! let's have a ridiculous aquatic romp!" and boy did they deliver!

 

[Bob_McMillan]

Weren't all the DCEU fanboys complaining that RottonTomatoes was biased for liking the MCU films too much?

I think they were more likely complaining that RottenTomatotoes was rating DCEU movies too low, which is both idiotic and ironic.

Wonder Woman 1984 is more affected by the 1st Wonder Woman than anything.

Did she give up on humanity in her first movie? It didn't seem that way to me, but then that whole 3rd act didn't really answer any questions. Also they showed Diana taking out any recordings of her (the security cameras in the mall), hence "no one" knows about her. Which yes is dumb, but that's intended to be their explanation I guess. When I was saying how the DCEU impacted the sequel, I was talking more about a) the idea that the whole fucking world almost inexplicably ended in 1984 and no one thinks that's strange and b) Diana apparently has the power to fucking FLY and turn things invisible, which she just decided not to use when the world almost ended again in BvS and Justice League

Reboot then?

They seem to be essentially doing that already? Between the new Batman movie and Flashpoint, I'd expect we aren't getting a "DCEU" for much longer.

People are already changing their minds on the PT, particularly around the time the new trilogy came out.

Yes I know, that's why I was talking about the same thing happening to the Sequels one day haha

 

[Bob_McMillan]

It just occurred me to that there is no good reason I could think of for Wonder Woman 1984 to be named that way. There didn't seem to be anything special about the year itself in the movie. So did they just say fuck it, we're setting this in the 80s, now let's toss a dice to decide on the exact year? This is so fucking random now I'm hoping I missed something.

 

[happyninja42]

Yes I know, that's why I was talking about the same thing happening to the Sequels one day haha

Ah, my bad, I misread your post, thought it said Prequels. I'd say give it the same amount of time that the PT took, about a decade. Though the rabid SW fans will always hate everything they hate at unhealthy levels of vitriolic rage. I used to post on a SW gaming forum, and the amount of toxicity in that community, for shit from like 30 years ago, and longer, and in books/comics that are no longer canon, is frankly terrifying. THOSE people will never lose their hate, or at least very unlikely, given the current examples of their kind. Some, will mature, actually develop a modicum of common sense and perspective, and be like "Eh, they weren't great."

Though personally, I still think Force Awakens, and Last Jedi, are genuinely good films. Rise of the Skywalker did NOT work for me, on like any level. But, I mean it's just a film, so I don't really care? It's not going to kill the franchise, anymore than the Life Day Special did. The thing will just keep on trucking and milking billions from those who watch it.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

I'd say give it the same amount of time that the PT took, about a decade. Though the rabid SW fans will always hate everything they hate at unhealthy levels of vitriolic rage. I used to post on a SW gaming forum, and the amount of toxicity in that community, for shit from like 30 years ago, and longer, and in books/comics that are no longer canon, is frankly terrifying.

Though personally, I still think Force Awakens, and Last Jedi, are genuinely good films. Rise of the Skywalker did NOT work for me, on like any level.

I myself have read maybe close to 200 Star Wars books from the EU, and yet I will never understand why the fans thought that Disney wouldn't and shouldn't do away with all of it. Not only is it ludicrous to expect them to just make movies based on 30 years of disjointed lore, its something George Lucas himself did a shit ton of times. Hell, the EU itself replaced the old Marvel Star Wars "EU".

I don't disagree that the new films are probably on the same level if not better than the Prequels when it comes to just plain watchability. My problem with the new movies is that they barely expanded the universe, and in most cases restricted it. I was fine with them taking away the old EU, but Jesus, replace it with something else, something BETTER. They seem to be doing that now with their non-movie stuff, but still it took them half a decade.

The OT and the Prequels left me with the feeling that I wanted to explore this universe more, and I did so for pretty much my whole life. With the Sequel movies, they felt like roller coaster rides that you don't think about the moment you step off. I was actually really excited to see what they would do with the First Order, turns out fuck all is what we get. Knights of Ren? Nah, just random inconsequential fucks. Any mysteries the Sequels started, they ended in the movies, and ended them in the most uninteresting ways possible. And I attribute all these failures to Disney and Lucasfilm so evidently not having a plan at all for what could have been the biggest movies in history.

But man, the journey that was build up to TFA was great. I felt glad to be alive for a whole new Star Wars trilogy. Makes what happened in the end even worse.

 

[happyninja42]

I myself have read maybe close to 200 Star Wars books from the EU, and yet I will never understand why the fans thought that Disney wouldn't and shouldn't do away with all of it. Not only is it ludicrous to expect them to just make movies based on 30 years of disjointed lore, its something George Lucas himself did a shit ton of times. Hell, the EU itself replaced the old Marvel Star Wars "EU".

I don't disagree that the new films are probably on the same level if not better than the Prequels when it comes to just plain watchability. My problem with the new movies is that they barely expanded the universe, and in most cases restricted it. I was fine with them taking away the old EU, but Jesus, replace it with something else, something BETTER. They seem to be doing that now with their non-movie stuff, but still it took them half a decade.

The OT and the Prequels left me with the feeling that I wanted to explore this universe more, and I did so for pretty much my whole life. With the Sequel movies, they felt like roller coaster rides that you don't think about the moment you step off. I was actually really excited to see what they would do with the First Order, turns out fuck all is what we get. Knights of Ren? Nah, just random inconsequential fucks. Any mysteries the Sequels started, they ended in the movies, and ended them in the most uninteresting ways possible. And I attribute all these failures to Disney and Lucasfilm so evidently not having a plan at all for what could have been the biggest movies in history.

But man, the journey that was build up to TFA was great. I felt glad to be alive for a whole new Star Wars trilogy. Makes what happened in the end even worse.

I don't disagree that they didn't expand the universe much with the new trilogy, but to be frank, the franchise has NEVER really expanded anything. They've been milking the same plot beats in the video games, books, comics, you name it. No matter what corner of the galaxy, or point in the timeline, it's always Sith Dark Siders in charge of a massive military, with some planet killers, threaten all the nice people. And a handful of people, with a couple of really powerful/gifted force users, have to band together and Plucky Rebellion their way to victory. There will be some dark side temptation in there, at least one of the force users will probably fall to make for drama and conflict (and sequel baiting), but eventually they will win. They will name drop or reference the OT in things like someone ALWAYS saying "i've got a bad feeling about this." People will use the term Hope like they have Tourette syndrome, there will be adorable creatures that can be turned into plushies, at least one of the dark siders will be sporting a cloak and a helmet, because Vader. I mean, you read the EU, you know this.

So I can't really fault the new trilogy doing what EVERY writer for Star Wars has done for close to 40 years. I do wish they would move away from the OT entirely, especially in future oriented stories, but we'll see. At this point, in my mid 40s, Star Wars is just another...thing, that people are selling me. It doesn't really have any deep emotional weight anymore. And frankly I'm glad for that. I've seen what people who worship it like an actual religion are like, and I don't want to be that kind of person. So if it's good, great! If it sucks, well that's ok too.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Did she give up on humanity in her first movie? It didn't seem that way to me, but then that whole 3rd act didn't really answer any questions. Also they showed Diana taking out any recordings of her (the security cameras in the mall), hence "no one" knows about her. Which yes is dumb, but that's intended to be their explanation I guess. When I was saying how the DCEU impacted the sequel, I was talking more about a) the idea that the whole fucking world almost inexplicably ended in 1984 and no one thinks that's strange and b) Diana apparently has the power to fucking FLY and turn things invisible, which she just decided not to use when the world almost ended again in BvS and Justice League

After doing some googling, I think I'm mainly getting her giving up on humanity from BvS. She said it's been a hundred years since she really did anything in BvS (so nothing since WWI basically), which I think lead me to infer that Ares telling her the "truth" about humans when lassoed in Wonder Woman was the reason why. Without re-watching Wonder Woman, I think that's how I had that in my head. I guess that goes to show you how damaging a movie you don't even care about can influence the rest of the movies in the universe. Her trying to stay "hidden" is really weird too, especially in a costume that doesn't cover her face and stands out so much. It would also seem like a great opportunity to do the whole everyone thinks she's so awesome but when she goes home, she has nobody and still a big hole from Chris Pine's death so her public life is the only place she gets her social interactions from (which they kinda do but not very well at all). I don't get why they just didn't go with something like everyone forgets everything when the wishes are renounced.

It just occurred me to that there is no good reason I could think of for Wonder Woman 1984 to be named that way. There didn't seem to be anything special about the year itself in the movie. So did they just say fuck it, we're setting this in the 80s, now let's toss a dice to decide on the exact year? This is so fucking random now I'm hoping I missed something.

Because Thor Ragnarok was so 80s and everyone loved it I guess. And so they can have the joke about 19" TVs being really big.

 

[Xprimentyl]

Wonder Woman 1984: Yay / Boo

I know the trend ‘round these parts is an ironically nihilistic approach to nihilism and nothing is ever good let alone good enough, so to be an unintentional-if-aware contrarian, I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. I don’t know what most people expected, neither do I care how it does or does not fit within the DCEU because, honestly, I'm tired of movies that feel the need to call back and forth to movies made and yet-to-be-made in some grander scheme; you've got a couple of my hours NOW; no need to worry about the hours I've spent and will spend; as a standalone movie, I felt WW'84 was an enjoyable watch. Strangely poignant to the times we’re living in (felt like this film was inspired by the past 9 months) whilst simultaneously capturing the magic of the ‘80s movies I grew up with that eschewed bland practicality and logical congruity for fun and wonderment. I’ll agree that Cheetah felt strangely shoehorned in; she really didn’t need to be there as what ultimately became an ancillary and minor antagonist, particularly given how much screen time Wiig eats up prior to her brief and unsatisfactory denouement. I won’t refute what others have said in their opinion, but call me easy to please.



The Midnight Sky Why? / Because

Not unlike 2019’s Ad Astra, this movie took up a lot of time just existing without doing much. Granted, I was drinking at the time, so maybe the depth of the film was beyond my inebriated reason, but it was really boring. I can’t for the life of me recall any substantive moment save for the reveal at the end which, while satisfying and touching, wasn’t enough to merit the preceding two hours I gave it. I should probably re-watch it sober before making any final declarations as Clooney is one of my favorite actors, but time will tell if that’s in the cards. Going to try and coin a new (I think) phrase for such movies: "matchsticks.]," mostly nothing with an ephemeral "a-ha" ending.

 

[happyninja42]

Wonder Woman 1984: Yay / Boo

I don’t know what most people expected, neither do I care how it does or does not fit within the DCEU

Every review I've seen, nobody has brought up any meta connections to the DCEU in their criticisms of the film. It's all just been internal components of the writing/direction that they seem to focus on.

 

[Xprimentyl]

Every review I've seen, nobody has brought up any meta connections to the DCEU in their criticisms of the film. It's all just been internal components of the writing/direction that they seem to focus on.

I'm mostly referring to the comments on the film in this thread. Not stating that anyone is "wrong;" opinions can differ, and I'm fine with that; just offering that the fine-tooth comb a lot of people have raked through this film feel a bit nit-picky (again, that's fine; I'm not to say what anyone feels is a worthy use of their time.) I mean, it's a super hero movie; it's pretty much bullshit out the gate; it stopped making a sense the moment a (presumably) 8-year-old child starts pulling of feats of athleticism impossible for most trained adult athletes within the first 5 minutes; whether or not it makes sense as a prequel to the final events of the first WW movies... so what?

 

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[Phoenixmgs]

I'm mostly referring to the comments on the film in this thread. Not stating that anyone is "wrong;" opinions can differ, and I'm fine with that; just offering that the fine-tooth comb a lot of people have raked through this film feel a bit nit-picky (again, that's fine; I'm not to say what anyone feels is a worthy use of their time.) I mean, it's a super hero movie; it's pretty much bullshit out the gate; it stopped making a sense the moment a (presumably) 8-year-old child starts pulling of feats of athleticism impossible for most trained adult athletes within the first 5 minutes; whether or not it makes sense as a prequel to the final events of the first WW movies... so what?

I wouldn't change my opinion of the movie regardless of DCEU links because I really don't care about the DCEU. The movie is a mess from beginning to end like how the beginning scene never actually ties into the movie. The movie's tone swings wildly from scene to scene and has no internal logic along with some really bizarre choices. I would've been fine if it stayed at the tone of the robbery scene for the whole movie but it doesn't. Hell, it could've been a ton of fun with say 80s Trump wishing some comic book / movie villains into existence or something instead of doing this long ass character "development" for a lame Cheetah fight.

 

[Xprimentyl]

I wouldn't change my opinion of the movie regardless of DCEU links because I really don't care about the DCEU. The movie is a mess from beginning to end like how the beginning scene never actually ties into the movie. The movie's tone swings wildly from scene to scene and has no internal logic along with some really bizarre choices. I would've been fine if it stayed at the tone of the robbery scene for the whole movie but it doesn't. Hell, it could've been a ton of fun with say 80s Trump wishing some comic book / movie villains into existence or something instead of doing this long ass character "development" for a lame Cheetah fight.

I won't disagree with you; tonally, it is pretty much all over the place, but I managed to enjoy it nonetheless. Like finger painting: it's messy, far from fine art, but still entertaining.

 

[SilentPony]

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I think also part of it is Wonder Woman is a *****. Like just straight up not a nice person. Barbara is all "Oh I'm shy and awkward and don't have success with guys" and then she meets a good looking guy who wants to make a donation and is playful and being charming and flirty, and Barbara is having a good time, Diana sweeps in like "Oh isn't it time you go home?! Go one, get out!" and its like *****, the fuck are you doing? How about being a wingwoman and backing her up instead of instantly shutting her down and making her feel worse? Like Barbara sees Diana's cool shoes and is envious. Diana would absolutely let her borrow those shoes, if not have them to keep, for nothing, especially if it gave Barbara a little bit of confidence, especially if a nice guy was genuinely interested in her. I know WW is all about empowerment and independence, but she's also just pro-women in general. If a friend of hers asked her for help looking good for a date with a nice guy, Wonder Woman should be all on that shit like "Lemme get Aphrodite on the phone." because its supporting a woman.

Also I think they state Diana is like 800+ years old and she tells Trevor he's the only joy in her life. Like...the fuck? Wonder Woman, the icon of female empowerment and independence, who doesn't need a man to make her a complete person....needs a man to make her a complete person and is essentially Bella Swan from Twilight in that she shuts down whenever her boyfriend isn't around. and even then, boyfriend is too much. They fucked a few times for like 2 weeks 80 years ago, which is barely 1/10th of Diana's life.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

So I can't really fault the new trilogy doing what EVERY writer for Star Wars has done for close to 40 years. I do wish they would move away from the OT entirely, especially in future oriented stories, but we'll see. At this point, in my mid 40s, Star Wars is just another...thing, that people are selling me. It doesn't really have any deep emotional weight anymore.

I agree with you there. That's kind of what I'm saying. With the OT, Lucas took a throwaway line about the Clone Wars and turned it not only into a new trilogy, but allowed it to spin off into some of the best Star Wars content out there. I wasn't talking about the general plot of the sequels (which, you know, sucked anyway), but more of the feeling of Star Wars being a universe. A pretty cool universe that Lucas obviously spent a lot of time creating. Though he probably should have spent more time creating and less time directing.

I would also probably agree with you about the selling thing part, but then living in a developing country means that big ol Disney doesn't care about us and that forces me to source their content from the internet, so it never really bothered me that much. After the Sequels, Star Wars did mean a lot less to me than it did before (not just due to their quality, life also happened). But I like Mando, I'm excited for some of their other shows, so we'll see how long before Disney inevitably "ruins" the franchise again. I love Star Wars, but there's also plenty of other IPs that I can occupy myself with. I've recently gotten into WH40k, which I find also gives me the "there's more to this universe" feel.

 

[BrawlMan]

Watched Tenet earlier tonight....

God damn I love this movie! Nolan actually made a post non-Batman movie I actually enjoy! It "saving" cinema was full of crap, we all know that, but I am bit sad I could not see it on the big screen. Does not matter; I enjoyed the film, story, and characters. Inception: Too long and far up its own ass. I do respect the action scenes though. Interstellar: Meh. Dunkirk: Neutered PG-13 War film. Tenet is one of my favorite time travel movies now! It's up there and better than Deja Vu. John David Washington did an excellent job. Him and Robert Patterson have excellent chemistry. JDW definitely is going places and has something carved for himself and got his own thing. You're doing yourself and your daddy proud JD. I got give Nolan, and all of the actors props for the stunts and action scenes. I have my problems with his other films, but this guy I respect for not skimping out on the details and is coherent and focused. That is how action should be. I know was not easy getting those stunts and hand to hand fight scenes right. Especially when you're fighting yourself! I highly recommend this movie.

 

[Xprimentyl]

I think also part of it is Wonder Woman is a *****. Like just straight up not a nice person. Barbara is all "Oh I'm shy and awkward and don't have success with guys" and then she meets a good looking guy who wants to make a donation and is playful and being charming and flirty, and Barbara is having a good time, Diana sweeps in like "Oh isn't it time you go home?! Go one, get out!" and its like *****, the fuck are you doing? How about being a wingwoman and backing her up instead of instantly shutting her down and making her feel worse? Like Barbara sees Diana's cool shoes and is envious. Diana would absolutely let her borrow those shoes, if not have them to keep, for nothing, especially if it gave Barbara a little bit of confidence, especially if a nice guy was genuinely interested in her. I know WW is all about empowerment and independence, but she's also just pro-women in general. If a friend of hers asked her for help looking good for a date with a nice guy, Wonder Woman should be all on that shit like "Lemme get Aphrodite on the phone." because its supporting a woman.

Also I think they state Diana is like 800+ years old and she tells Trevor he's the only joy in her life. Like...the fuck? Wonder Woman, the icon of female empowerment and independence, who doesn't need a man to make her a complete person....needs a man to make her a complete person and is essentially Bella Swan from Twilight in that she shuts down whenever her boyfriend isn't around. and even then, boyfriend is too much. They fucked a few times for like 2 weeks 80 years ago, which is barely 1/10th of Diana's life.

Wow, those are some pretty specific issues to take with this film.

Diana is supposed to be a symbol of woman empowerment, yet she's a ***** for not getting all "girly-girl" and playing makeover with a woman she literally just met who's showing interest in an overtly conceited douchebag? Might it not follow that an attractive, smart and powerful woman could spot a creep from a thousand miles away and was trying to help her more naïve colleague avoid getting taken advantage of... as she ultimately was?

And falling in love with a man somehow flies in the face of her female empowerment? Yes, their fling was brief, but the circumstances surrounding it were intense and literally saved the world; connections made at times like that have a little more weight than a stint with a piece of ass one might have picked up at a bar. Also, don't forget she came from a society devoid of humans, let alone men, and Trevor was her guide in her first foray into humanity and mostly the sole reason she found worthiness in humanity at all. I would hope a relationship that uniquely special would have a lasting impact. And yes, given she is/was substantially older than him, it would make sense that +80 years might not be that long a time relative to her life span. My last ex-girlfriend had taken a 7-year hiatus from dating and was only 32 when she broke that streak with me; was waiting effectively 1/4 of her life to “get out there again” absurd?