Election results discussion thread (and sadly the inevitable aftermath)

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So Trump is the first president to deliberately have an armed mob storm congress.

Move over Buchanan, there's a new worst US president in town.
 

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So, the Party of Personal Responsibility. Let's talk.

While decrying, ignoring, and mislabeling movements like BLM... Movements created by marginalizing people and just offering hopes and prayers when a segment of the population is brutalized for profit (Gotta say they were criminals to be ok with bashing in their heads and/or shooting them), you had nothing but contempt for their actions. Why should they do anything but be angry in a corner where they aren't unpleasant to acknowledge? Pain? Fear? Outrage? Who cares? We're ok over here, right?

The People of Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Georgia and sadly, many other states knows what it's like to have their voices stolen from them. But this was according to plan. Because these were the wrong people. They shouldn't have a choice. Their Suppression was your Republican Win.

They weren't counted. And they didn't try to break into the capitol building. Your party did.

Oh, and get used to this. If Justice is anything in this country (stop laughing, I'm serious), we should be seeing it a lot.


18 U.S. Code § 1752 - Restricted building or grounds
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(a)Whoever—
(1)
knowingly enters or remains in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority to do so;
(2)
knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions, engages in disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such proximity to, any restricted building or grounds when, or so that, such conduct, in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions;
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knowingly, and with the intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions, obstructs or impedes ingress or egress to or from any restricted building or grounds; or [1]
(4)
knowingly engages in any act of physical violence against any person or property in any restricted building or grounds; [2]
(5)
knowingly and willfully operates an unmanned aircraft system with the intent to knowingly and willfully direct or otherwise cause such unmanned aircraft system to enter or operate within or above a restricted building or grounds;
or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).
(b)The punishment for a violation of subsection (a) is—
(1)a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both, if—
(A)
the person, during and in relation to the offense, uses or carries a deadly or dangerous weapon or firearm; or
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the offense results in significant bodily injury as defined by section 2118(e)(3); and
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a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, in any other case.
(c)In this section—
(1)the term “restricted buildings or grounds” means any posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area—
(A)
of the White House or its grounds, or the Vice President’s official residence or its grounds;
(B)
of a building or grounds where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting; or
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of a building or grounds so restricted in conjunction with an event designated as a special event of national significance; and
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the term “other person protected by the Secret Service” means any person whom the United States Secret Service is authorized to protect under section 3056 of this title or by Presidential memorandum, when such person has not declined such protection.
Or, Let's take a moment to talk about Dishonesty.

We can go back to BLM. There are so many people who are wanting to point to the summer's protests and say this is no different than BLM. Really? BLM mounted responses to actual needless deaths against the black community. The Cultists lied to each other, made up stories that Trump couldn't have lost because he was so super popular, and convinced themselves that it must have been stolen.

Their cry was "There's doubt, so we must do everything to clear it".

Too right. Let's keep that mindset when we think about the Boogaloo bois. Who were found to have committed a good deal of violence in hopes of starting a race war.



Well, according to your mindset, if there was any doubt, we must put aside our preconceptions and operate in a manner that completely wipes away doubt, right? So, we should sit down and discover if the Boogaloo Bois are just... oh. Wait. We don't? We're just going to continue to put all the violence and carnage on BLM? They should be the only one's responsible because they didn't need to protests to begin with?

It doesn't matter if doubt, fear, or evidence is on BLM's side... they always have to operate in an acceptable manner without overstepping any bounds? But we excuse Republicans who believe made up garbage because it's preferable to believing that they lost because Trump was derisive? We understand and accept the Cultists' camp fire stories that every legal and judicial body is in on a conspiracy to rob Donald Trump of a win, but we look at videos upon videos of black people having the height of violence visited upon them (often in illegal ways), and we have to doubt BLM's sincerity.

It seems like the Party of Personal Responsibility should have exercised some of their own, realize that not everyone loved Trump, and not allow Qanon to have so much sway on their thought processes.
 

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We can go back to BLM. There are so many people who are wanting to point to the summer's protests and say this is no different than BLM. Really? BLM mounted responses to actual needless deaths against the black community. The Cultists lied to each other, made up stories that Trump couldn't have lost because he was so super popular, and convinced themselves that it must have been stolen.
Every sort of attack against Trump and his followers boils down to assumptions against the underlying motivations of people.
"It's not that you genuinely believe that fraud happened, it's because you're a CULTIST and you LIED and you're just MAD that you lost FAIR AND SQUARE!"

That's not an argument. You're just making claims. You're just calling people liars.
 

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Every sort of attack against Trump and his followers boils down to assumptions against the underlying motivations of people.
"It's not that you genuinely believe that fraud happened, it's because you're a CULTIST and you LIED and you're just MAD that you lost FAIR AND SQUARE!"

That's not an argument. You're just making claims.
This is just the birtherism. You are in the wrong and will never be forgiven for supporting this
 

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Remember kids, when BLM protests happen, this is what security looks like;
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When white national terrorists march on the capitol...
 

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Stand down and stand by.
Twitter took down Trump's Tweet, but I should remind that this is one promise that I'm very glad Trump didn't keep.

"When the Looting Starts, the Shooting Starts"


I do not agree with them. And they embarrass us all, grown adults taken over by a conspiracy. But I do not wish for...

Violence.


Everyone who posted conspiracy theories and the blatant lies... There's a casualty. A casualty was created due to your immaturity. Please, any Force in the Universe, please let it be the last and please let the person make it.

You'll have nothing to say when they come for our guns. I'll give mine up gladly if I don't have to worry about these mobs again...
 
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But seriously, you're making the wrong assumptions. It's not "because they don't like the results", it's because they genuinely believe the results are fraudulent.
So why wouldn't there be an angry mob? You expect people to just accept a hostile takeover of their country?

Maybe you should stop purposely pushing shit you know is nonsense "for teh lolz" then? It's the exact bullshit you've been "arguing for fun" in this thread that is leading these morons to riot. Let me guess though, you entirely fail to see the connection between peddlers of bs like yourself and the people who believe the bs that's been peddled...
 

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A casualty was created due to your immaturity.
There it is. Clear double-standards on display.
When a black person gets shot, he's a "murder victim". He's not the one at fault. It's not because he was committing a crime or anything.
When a white Trump supporter gets shot, it's a "casualty" that's "due to your own immaturity".

Maybe you should stop purposely pushing shit you know is nonsense "for teh lolz" then? It's the exact bullshit you've been "arguing for fun" in this thread that is leading these morons to riot. Let me guess though, you entirely fail to see the connection between peddlers of bs like yourself and the people who believe the bs that's been peddled...
You're still doing it. Just calling it "bs". That's an assumption
 

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Maybe you should stop purposely pushing shit you know is nonsense "for teh lolz" then? It's the exact bullshit you've been "arguing for fun" in this thread that is leading these morons to riot. Let me guess though, you entirely fail to see the connection between peddlers of bs like yourself and the people who believe the bs that's been peddled...
I'm guessing that was to Houseman, right?

I doubt he and people will ever take credit for pushing the stuff that has radicalized a portion of their party.

It's on the internet forever. I'll be happy to be judged by whatever I said in the past. I hope others can say the same.
 

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America is a country with bloodlust. For all the pontification about freedom and democracy there is a veneration and endorsement of violence that pervades the national myth. The moments in history that America chooses to define itself are the predominantly ones where it chose violence. For the people who most wholeheartedly buy into the American myth, America means the use of force to get your way, violence as both right and responsibility. This is the result.
 

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I'm guessing that was to Houseman, right?

I doubt he and people will ever take credit for pushing the stuff that has radicalized a portion of their party.

It's on the internet forever. I'll be happy to be judged by whatever I said in the past. I hope others can say the same.
You are correct. And I doubt they will either. They'll move on to the next scam without a care.
 

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You're still doing it. Just calling it "bs". That's an assumption
No, it''s not; It's objective fact. Reality does not change because you've closed your eyes and are chanting "lalalalala". Most of us learned this as toddlers; I'm sorry you're still struggling with it. Nor does it change because some amount of people have joined you in ignorance. See the 2012 "Mayan Apocalypse" or flat earthers as examples.
 
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