The GOP's rampant legal attempts to Usurp Power After Biden Win.
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You're a man of faith though? So your own religion doesn't exist in a perfect world?
Arguably, no it should not.
The tension at the core of religion is to need faith, yet at the same time to have sufficient reason to believe at all. But where the existence of God and his laws is objectively known, it diminishes faith and the notion of free will.
Had God wanted us to have objective proof that he existed, he'd have given us a burning pillar of divine flame somewhere that we could go visit and see his existence for ourselves, rather than relying on dodgy 2000-year-old stories of turning water into wine.
No see, you said objectively true, not known. None of that shifting the goal posts here bucko.
What of the perfect existence that God promises? Will faith still be needed then? Would free will be diminished?
Did not God give the Israelites objective proof that he existed in the form of those burning pillars? What about their faith and free will?
Okay, then let me rephrase: "In a perfect world, the correct religion, if any, would be objectively true, yes."
Wow, you really scored a gotcha on that one.
The gotcha is that religion cannot be objectively true. Every religion I know of, faith is core tenet. Some of them even treat asking for objective proof to be blasphemy, having lacked faith.
So the gotcha is in a point where you say things should be objectively true, you immediately bend that to account for your religious beliefs. You couldnt stick to your guns for even the briefest of moments.
This is too vague to engage with.
No, God allegedly turned up to a few discrete individuals who usually are called prophets (or, post-Jesus, saints). This brings us to consider that maybe the prophets lied to a bunch of gullible proles about meeting God, or whichever scribes wrote down these stories down "embellished" somewhat.
When it boils down it, there's not much more reason to believe large tracts of the Bible than there is to believe The Iliad. And the latter says gods and nymphs and stuff popped down to Earth and graced us with their presence too (although generally with much more sex involved than the Christian God).
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Because there's no disputing the actual problem at hand (the GOP doing everything in their power to be the Tyrants they say they abhor), certain parties are trying to derail the topic to God. God has nothing to do with what the GOP is doing. God's a bro. He hangs out with Buddha, Odin, and Bill Nye (once he dies) to play Poker.
And even that fact still has nothing to do with the fact that the GOP is once again trying to control America by unjust, and repugnant legislation that keeps only the people they deem suitable as the only ones with Voices.
There's a full page of this instead of what certain parties don't want us to focus on.
The GOP is stealing American's ability to vote fairly. Taking away voting stations. Trying to make an inalienable right a little more alienable to minorities. Trying to restructure states' constitutions to make sure fair litigations do not happen. Choosing 'replacements' instead of letting the people choose if a representative leaves early.
This is what we should focus on. Anything else gives certain parties power to control the focus of conversation, which they want more than anything else.
Because there's no disputing the actual problem at hand (the GOP doing everything in their power to be the Tyrants they say they abhor), certain parties are trying to derail the topic to God. God has nothing to do with what the GOP is doing. God's a bro. He hangs out with Buddha, Odin, and Bill Nye (once he dies) to play Poker.
And even that fact still has nothing to do with the fact that the GOP is once again trying to control America by unjust, and repugnant legislation that keeps only the people they deem suitable as the only ones with Voices.
There's a full page of this instead of what certain parties don't want us to focus on.
The GOP is stealing American's ability to vote fairly. Taking away voting stations. Trying to make an inalienable right a little more alienable to minorities. Trying to restructure states' constitutions to make sure fair litigations do not happen. Choosing 'replacements' instead of letting the people choose if a representative leaves early.
This is what we should focus on. Anything else gives certain parties power to control the focus of conversation, which they want more than anything else.
To be fair, deflecting everything to "god" is a classic conservative politician trope/tactic by this point.
Too late to edit my post so I'll instead say now:
Please don't fall for that bullshit. Just ignore him or start a new thread. Don't let fascists trolls completely derail threads.
Well, how else are the GOP going to win elections? Address voters' concerns? Don't make me laugh.
It's literally an oxymoron. He really did used to be more subtle. Not much more, but still.
Wouldn't it be great if we got rid of all the modern religions and just went back to like ancient Greek/Egyptian gods? Where like God doesn't love you, he wants to fuck your daughter, and failing that, your goat. And if you do anything glorious and cool, well it was a God living vicariously through you. Thunder? Yeah that's God jerking off. Rain? God is pissing on you. Earthquakes are God farts.
There was something much more appealing in having Frat Gods over the Tri-Un God who loves and hates you in equal measure.
And when did I "bend" it? Can you quote me doing so?
What's vague about it? Do you not know what God promises?
It seems to me that you just don't know how many people in biblical times had direct proof of God.
You know that "burning pillar of divine flame" you mentioned earlier? That was direct proof of God. ALL of Hebrew slaves that were freed from Egypt saw that. That was the thing that guided them around the wilderness. And, of course, there was the whole "splitting the red sea" thing, which they all saw because they walked through it. Not only that, the food that fell from the sky every night.
Your argument simply doesn't hold up. Maybe you don't understand what faith is, or maybe you don't understand the true scale of people who had direct proof of God. Or perhaps your idea that "faith being diminished by direct knowledge is undesirable" is wrong.
Who brought up God first? Elijin.
I just made a simple statement about people believing things that aren't true.
At this point, you're like Marge: