So Biden-Haters: why Trump over Biden?

[Revnak]

What a silly thing to say. I mean it, this is a really odd thing to say. Especially following that vehement rant about how justified you are in not voting. I mean, you obviously don't love socialism enough to kill for it, which is a good thing, but to ask it of us is really bizarre.

If my convictions don’t matter, why do Nancy Pelosi’s? If it really is “anyone but Trump,” why not shoot him? We’re clearly not in the kind of absolute scenario that cultural liberalism claims we are if it’s not worth murdering the guy. Clearly there is space aside from “anyone but Trump.”

Edit- Also, I am voting and did vote in the primary so back off with that bullshit.

 

[SupahEwok]

What a silly thing to say. I mean it, this is a really odd thing to say. Especially following that vehement rant about how justified you are in not voting. I mean, you obviously don't love socialism enough to kill for it, which is a good thing, but to ask it of us is really bizarre.

I dunno, I like the kid's style. If Trump is such an existential threat, why won't you murder him for the sake of you and yours?

 

[Buyetyen]

If my convictions don’t matter, why do Nancy Pelosi’s? If it really is “anyone but Trump,” why not shoot him? We’re clearly not in the kind of absolute scenario that cultural liberalism claims we are if it’s not worth murdering the guy. Clearly there is space aside from “anyone but Trump.”

Edit- Also, I am voting and did vote in the primary so back off with that bullshit.

Corrected on the voting bit, but it does raise an eyebrow that you just come to the conclusion others must not be that sincere because they haven't assassinated anyone.

I dunno, I like the kid's style. If Trump is such an existential threat, why won't you murder him for the sake of you and yours?

Bluntly, whatever you have to have in you to take a human life, I don't have it.

 

[Revnak]

Corrected on the voting bit, but it does raise an eyebrow that you just come to the conclusion others must not be that sincere because they haven't assassinated anyone.

Party leadership isn’t sincere. The type who forced “Blue No Matter Who” aren’t sincere. Our leaders, our vacant minded gods, our imbecilic children of genocidal fascists, all insincere. You? I dunno.

Bluntly, whatever you have to have in you to take a human life, I don't have it.

You think Pelosi can’t find someone who does have that in them?

 

[Buyetyen]

Party leadership isn’t sincere. The type who forced “Blue No Matter Who” aren’t sincere. Our leaders, our vacant minded gods, our imbecilic children of genocidal fascists, all insincere. You? I dunno.

You think Pelosi can’t find someone who does have that in them?

Realistically, what do you expect would happen because of an assassination?

 

[SupahEwok]

Realistically, what do you expect would happen because of an assassination?

I would expect Trump would be out of office. Isn't that what all the Never Trumpers desire more than anything else?

Bluntly, whatever you have to have in you to take a human life, I don't have it.

Eh. Think what you wish, but history has generally shown that when pushed to the utmost extreme, people will either kill or be killed. If you resign yourself to "be killed", you've resigned yourself to domination by those with power over you.

 

[Revnak]

Realistically, what do you expect would happen because of an assassination?

Well, the great Satan would be defeated of course. Our sins would be cleansed. Or, perhaps my objection is that an assassination would be profoundly unrealistic, just as “anyone but Trump” is unrealistic, just as this entire farce of a democracy we have is unrealistic.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

I’m not supporting Biden because he openly hates me and my platform and I see no gains for socialism in casting a ballot for a leader who is such a blatant agent of entrenched capital. Whether he or Trump win the election, the Supreme Court will remain a conservative and anti-democratic structure that should be abolished and replaced with elected and term limited officials, congress will remain full of obvious profiteers, and the country will get incrementally worse as it has for the past half century, assuming it survives either’s entire term.
As for dealing with the apparently uniquely evil Trump, here is a simple question, if Trump is so abominable a singular individual that his holding of the office must be prevented at any cost, up to and including the lives of thousands of Americans lost to poor policy and public assembly during a pandemic, then why have none of you cowards picked up a gun and shot him? Pelosi could have stabbed him at any of his addresses rather than rely on people like myself betraying our moral or rational convictions to vote for some other abomination. Why does responsibility for removing Trump lie with the people who have the least power to do so and little material drive to see him gone? I refuse to be blackmailed by a party of unsuited heirs to tyrannical crowns. If you want him gone, kill him yourself.

I mean it's a matter to me of whether I expect Biden to do negative things I don't expect Trump to run with anyways. I expect more people to suffer under Trump than Biden.

As for why no one has picked up a gun and killed him... One it's not that easy to succeed and two personally I'd like to be alive. Not to mention I'm not entirely sure of what the political landscape would look like if he became some kind of political martyr. Ideally I'd love to see him just die of natural causes but can't exactly influence that.

Also did you really compare the difficulty and personal cost of committing an assassination to voting someone you despise?

 

[Buyetyen]

Well, the great Satan would be defeated of course. Our sins would be cleansed. Or, perhaps my objection is that an assassination would be profoundly unrealistic, just as “anyone but Trump” is unrealistic, just as this entire farce of a democracy we have is unrealistic.

I have no idea what point you're trying to make anymore. I'm not even sure you know what point you're trying to make.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Well, the great Satan would be defeated of course. Our sins would be cleansed. Or, perhaps my objection is that an assassination would be profoundly unrealistic, just as “anyone but Trump” is unrealistic, just as this entire farce of a democracy we have is unrealistic.

Uhhh. Anyone but Trump could be realistic. Like it's entirely possible Trump can lose the election. And our democracy actually exists so it's certainly not unrealistic in the same way. I'm entirely missing the actual point in the comparison other than you feel vehemently about this

 

[Revnak]

Uhhh. Anyone but Trump could be realistic. Like it's entirely possible Trump can lose the election. And our democracy actually exists so it's certainly not unrealistic in the same way. I'm entirely missing the actual point in the comparison other than you feel vehemently about this

It’s not “realistic” in the sense that there are people who are not preferable to Trump.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

It’s not “realistic” in the sense that there are people who are not preferable to Trump.

Alright, that's strictly true if we were to literally look across the entire world. But is that the case with Biden and why? Do you believe Biden will enact bad policies Trump will not, or something? Or that Trump does not have bad policies he'd push that Biden would not?

 

[Buyetyen]

I would expect Trump would be out of office. Isn't that what all the Never Trumpers desire more than anything else?

Eh. Think what you wish, but history has generally shown that when pushed to the utmost extreme, people will either kill or be killed. If you resign yourself to "be killed", you've resigned yourself to domination by those with power over you.

If you have no follow-up, you have no plan. And history also teaches us that arbitrary binaries are bullshit.

 

[Revnak]

I have no idea what point you're trying to make anymore. I'm not even sure you know what point you're trying to make.

I know exactly what I’m saying, this framing of “anyone but Trump” is an insincere powergrab by DNC officials who just want to line their own pockets at my expense. To make myself and the people I care about suffer for their profit rather than Trump’s profit. If our leaders are so cowardly and insignificant that they need me to win despite loathing me, then why in the world should they be in charge? No matter the outcome between these two chucklefucks, this country will be led by goblin fucking children until someone says stop to their petty games of violence and farce, and Biden is mentally, morally, and physically incapable of that.

 

[Neuromancer]

Oh no, I was talking about the people who have said that by voting third party or not at all they're going to be making some kind of meaningful statement instead of just a fart in a moshpit. It is true that the system we've got sucks. But as I've said before, cynicism is a lazy excuse for just giving up or resigning yourself to empty gestures of protest.

I am aware of who you were talking about. I was teasing.

They perhaps won't make a meaningful statement, but make no mistake. It is not they that have resigned, for they still hope for change. The ones that have resigned are they that will take any candidate, no matter his baggage or past, as long as they attempt to beat Trump. True resignation is accepting the status quo as is and deciding it cannot be changed. It can. It is unlikely it will, because most people have either resigned to the status quo, aren't affected enough to care to make a stand of any sort, or are the upper middle class sort, who want Trump to go away (as he is abomidable even to them) without changing their comfortable lives. But unless some sort of attempt at change is made, then so things shall remain.

 

[Revnak]

Alright, that's strictly true if we were to literally look across the entire world. But is that the case with Biden and why? Do you believe Biden will enact bad policies Trump will not, or something? Or that Trump does not have bad policies he'd push that Biden would not?

Easy, AR buyback. That happens and we all get car bombs in our state houses and nooses around our race traitor necks.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

I am aware of who you were talking about. I was teasing.

They perhaps won't make a meaningful statement, but make no mistake. It is not they that have resigned, for they still hope for change. The ones that have resigned are they that will take any candidate, no matter his baggage or past, as long as they attempt to beat Trump. True resignation is accepting the status quo as is and deciding it cannot be changed. It can. It is unlikely it will, because most people have either resigned to the status quo, aren't affected enough to care to make a stand of any sort, or are the upper middle class sort, who want Trump to go away (as he is abomidable even to them) without changing their comfortable lives. But unless some sort of attempt at change is made, then so things shall remain.

Okay, that *sounds* fine and all. But in the immediate future, do we have another alternative? You can talk about hope etc and status quo, but this is feeling like saying we could take a third road as we're speeding 70 mph between two other choices with the other option way behind for the immediate moment.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Easy, AR buyback. That happens and we all get car bombs in our state houses and nooses around our race traitor necks.

So, keeping our hands on guns?

 

[Revnak]

So, keeping our hands on guns?

I don’t even own a gun. I just have an actual awareness of the militia movement that goosesteps through my city a few times a year. Apparently you don’t.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

I don’t even own a gun. I just have an actual awareness of the militia movement that goosesteps through my city a few times a year. Apparently you don’t.

Imagine me not knowing about your city.

Anyways, do you actually wanna talk or make little jabs about me being ignorant of your city's problems and saying roundabout non-communicative things about AR buyback without explaining what your point about it is?