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I wonder how large a satellite would have to be in order for its dark side to be cold like Mercury's (assuming it never changed its facing with respect to the sun). Too large, I should think.
By coincidence, I was discussing something along this lines with my father the other day (who is interested in such things), and he told me that the James Webb telescope has a really fancy multi-layer parasol to protect it from Sunlight, Earthlight or Moonlight.

Looking it up on wiki, and it's 5 layers, and can keep the working bits down to about 40 kelvin. Which is very impressive.
 

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I wonder how large a satellite would have to be in order for its dark side to be cold like Mercury's (assuming it never changed its facing with respect to the sun). Too large, I should think.
Solving the cooling problem here, as much as it's a problem worth solving, would be a massive double sided contraption. The data center would be sandwiched between it's solar array on one side and on the shaded side you would make a similar structure, but all coolant pipes and massive black wafers of metal that would act as the heat sink and would radiate that heat back into the darkness of space. Of course it's a massive target for micrometeors and being basically a giant plumbing apparatus, would fail in under a month.
 

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On the other hand, once you've gotten them into space it may be the best way to do all this processing from an environmental standpoint. You are cutting out all the middle steps of dumping all that heat into the atmosphere and dealing with the side effects while still needing to wait for it to radiate through a vacuum to be done with it.
Dumping heat into the atmosphere from data centres isn't a problem: it's utterly trivial compared to the sun making things warm. What's a problem is the pollution from fossil fuel energy generation, and local environmental damage if they start hoovering up huge quantities of water for cooling.

Satinavian notes another problem: a huge amount of data traffic needs to go back and forth between data centres and other places. With a physical, wired connection large quantities of data can be easily transmitted, whereas bandwidth is much more limited over wireless. For instance, Starlink is vastly more vulnerable to slowing down when the number of users increases than cable telecommunications are because there are much more limits on the ability of those satellites to pass data around.
 

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By coincidence, I was discussing something along this lines with my father the other day (who is interested in such things), and he told me that the James Webb telescope has a really fancy multi-layer parasol to protect it from Sunlight, Earthlight or Moonlight.

Looking it up on wiki, and it's 5 layers, and can keep the working bits down to about 40 kelvin. Which is very impressive.
Incidentally, if you look at a picture of the International Space Station, it's got a load of "wings". It's frequently assumed they're all solar panels. The ones that look sort of shiny black/gold are solar panels, but about half of them are white, and they're the heat management system to stop the ISS cooking its inhabitants.
 

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Dumping heat into the atmosphere from data centres isn't a problem: it's utterly trivial compared to the sun making things warm.
That's probably true, but small things do add up though.
What's a problem is the pollution from fossil fuel energy generation, and local environmental damage if they start hoovering up huge quantities of water for cooling.
Also a non-issue for a space based data center.

Satinavian notes another problem: a huge amount of data traffic needs to go back and forth between data centres and other places. With a physical, wired connection large quantities of data can be easily transmitted, whereas bandwidth is much more limited over wireless. For instance, Starlink is vastly more vulnerable to slowing down when the number of users increases than cable telecommunications are because there are much more limits on the ability of those satellites to pass data around.
I'm not going to argue that it's better from a technical standpoint, because it clearly isn't. You also have the problem that maintenance becomes incredibly expensive. I'm just considering that with how much fossil fuels are being burned to keep all these pointless data centers processing, I'm not going to complain if they are going to move off world. Though I don't know how many years of operation will be required to offset the rocket launch...
 

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I'm not going to argue that it's better from a technical standpoint, because it clearly isn't. You also have the problem that maintenance becomes incredibly expensive. I'm just considering that with how much fossil fuels are being burned to keep all these pointless data centers processing, I'm not going to complain if they are going to move off world. Though I don't know how many years of operation will be required to offset the rocket launch...
No, I get you. Although in terms of fossil fuels, we can at least theoretically power data centres with solar, wind, nuclear etc. on Earth, whereas I think the majority of rockets used today to shunt stuff into orbit still work by burning hydrocarbons.
 

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No, I get you. Although in terms of fossil fuels, we can at least theoretically power data centres with solar, wind, nuclear etc. on Earth, whereas I think the majority of rockets used today to shunt stuff into orbit still work by burning hydrocarbons.
Solar power is much more efficient in outer space, but yeah, it just might never outweigh the amount of fossil fuel energy used to launch it.
 

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This has so many drawbacks and it has a perfectly fine alternative on earth at a fraction of the cost and without all those problems.
Let's be fair, building Rapture as an AI datacenter has less problems for more benefits - the ocean is basically a giant heat sink, and most of it doesn't fall under any national laws. As for heat vs power, there's a class of chips that's much better than GPUs in both speed and power usage for the kind of processing used by current AI loads, but it's an ASIC and a lot of folks aren't comfortable enough that tensors will remain the approach to build datacenters that can only be used for that while GPUs can be used for some other purpose if the state of the art moves away from tensors.
 

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whereas I think the majority of rockets used today to shunt stuff into orbit still work by burning hydrocarbons.
That really depends, and usually no, in the strictest sense of the term. Fuels either tend to be oxygen/hydrogen, or very toxic volatile compounds. But not many hydrocarbons. Mind you, most rocket fuels take a lot of energy to synthesize, and many are extremely toxic, so it's not like it's safe or good.
 
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Given who he is Elon would probably consider that a win.
There's a rumour that the reason Musk consolidated xAI (which absorbed FKA Twitter a year or so back) into SpaceX because of these sorts of financial issues. FKA Twitter is probably losing money, xAI is definitely losing money (like any AI firm), and one pundit I read suggested it was beneficial as SpaceX could more easily be used to prop them up.
 
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Courts find that Elon has been a naughty boy.

During his takeover of Twitter he was posting a load of shit about it that had a negative impact on the share price, thus harming the interests of shareholders who sold during that period. Contextually of course, Musk offered and had accepted a high bid, and later wanted to renegotiate down the price from the legally binding arrangement.
 
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I don't think Hasan is actually an anti-semitic. I think he is a rabid anti-Israeli, anti-American, anti-US, anti-NATO, and anti-global north guy, but to lie about him like what Third Way does is off-putting and poor form. It also reeks of bad sportsmanship because Hasan has more popular support on the ground.

I don't even like Hasan, but it's weird to see upper-middle-class people like people I know alongside most of the wealthy, and this coming from someone who genuinely doesn't want communists and authoritarian socialists to run my government, which Hasan does want.

Compete against him, but lying can only go so far.

Note (I don't support the Iran War in terms of ground troops because we don't get anything out of it, and air strikes are enough)