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And if they used it as a storm shelter, then it'd be a storm shelter instead.
Except they aren't using it as a storm shelter. They are using it to imprison people, as prisoners.

You're bending over backward to justify something that is not justifiable at its core.
 
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I won't believe a single one of these "assassination attempts" is real until Trump actually gets killed in one. Until then these are all false flag operations by the Trump administration to try and save his dwindling popularity and give him an excuse for whatever policy he's trying to implement. In this case about 5 minutes later he was talking about how this is the reason he needs the new ballroom.
That is assuming a level of competence way outside what they shown. Even average governments have difficult time keeping things completely secret. There's always leaks one way or another. It's also worth taking account that the US isn't like other countries, it has a uniquely self-destructive culture of gun obsession, a hyper capitalist mental and physical healthcare system that locks a majority out while scamming the rest, daily to weekly school mass shootings that are ignored in the regulatory and law side while even aggressively defended and sometimes outright denied on the mainstream political stage, an absurdly hyperbolic media rhetoric captured almost completely by business/political interests - I'm forgetting much more - but this is not an optimal environment for maintaining sanity across the vast spectrum of people caught under it all. I'm honestly surprised it's not been way worse. It's also infecting other countries now too. People just aren't as good as they think they are when it comes to playing agent 47.

Oh almost forgot a constant looming climate apocalypse that hovers over everyone like a cosmic Lovecraftian entity: a megastructure of our own cursed design. Does anyone remember the number of climate scientists that have self immolated in public including the white house cos of it currently? The news tends to kick that shit under rug as soon as it can ,so is understandable to not notice.
 

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You're bending over backward to justify something that is not justifiable at its core.
Nah, it's just really quite justifiable. It's also quite easy to oppose, to say its a bad decision to make, but the explanation is right there. All you have to do to understand it is not begin from the premise that suffering is the purpose.
 

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Does anyone remember the number of climate scientists that have self immolated in public including the white house cos of it currently?
I believe zero is the answer. I am aware of two activists (one a lawyer and the other a photographer, neither a scientist in any respect) who did that in New York and DC in front of the Supreme Court respectively. I don't believe anyone with a clear understanding of the actual impacts of climate change thinks self-immolation is a reasonable response.
 

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I have actually been to an event in that room. It is, in fact, in the basement.
 

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Will you look at that, not only did little Dumpty have the guts and wherewithal to hold a little press briefing advocating for his ludicrous white house ballroom, he even had the time to do a "60 Minutes" interview afterwards.

And yes, I am insinuating that it was planned.
 
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Silvanus

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It's not punishment at all. This is not a circumstance of criminal justice in the first place.
Bullshit. Maximum security imprisonment, in an institution internationally renowned for torture, with the government justifying it specifically in reference to unproven criminal allegations, is punishment. Its not criminal justice, no; its the weaponisation of punishment against people who have never been tried in the criminal justice system.
 

Agema

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Looking at that, there is a certain truth to the claim that there was an increase starting in April, but not because it was trending higher than previous years
You shouldn't claim a conclusion about a relationship with "previous years" when you only examine one previous year, especially when you also describe that year as "anomalously high". However, this is a pretty trivial issue compared to the massive error you made.

Breaking down 2020 by month:
You need to use the correct data. You have used calendar years, but note that the data is in fiscal years.
 

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You shouldn't claim a conclusion about a relationship with "previous years" when you only examine one previous year, especially when you also describe that year as "anomalously high". However, this is a pretty trivial issue compared to the massive error you made.
I did make an error, you are right, October to December of calendar 2020 were in that 70k range as well.

That is not nearly as big an issue as what you are doing, though. I'm looking at the data from the source you provided, which is one click away from this chart:
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There's the prior decade, and you're telling me I've only got one previous year to compare to. I made a mistake listing out the months, you are being obtuse on purpose.
 

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What does the stupid ballroom have to do with anything? Republicans keep bringing it up as a stupid idea supposedly vindicated now. One could argue it would have higher security but that wouldn’t be a factor if Trump leaves the White House
 
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What does the stupid ballroom have to do with anything? Republicans keep bringing it up as a stupid idea supposedly vindicated now.
Swap ballroom for a fair few other things and those two sentences still work, though, same old.
 

Agema

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That is not nearly as big an issue as what you are doing, though. I'm looking at the data from the source you provided, which is one click away from this chart:

There's the prior decade, and you're telling me I've only got one previous year to compare to.
No.
  • We are trying to establish a trend in a timescale where yearly data is not sufficiently granular. A brief examination of the monthly data indicates things can change in scales much shorter than a year, so trends may be concealed when in too large a data set.
  • This is especially true when the trend we're looking for is split across two data points.
I made a mistake listing out the months, you are being obtuse on purpose.
I'm sending you to the base data because it's there (if user unfriendly) and skips the whole "bias" rigmarole whenever people are sent data that they don't like the look of from other media.

But now you have seen it, let's refer this graph from the LA Times, which I think you can agree shows the same trends as the CBP data, and clearly demonstrates that attempted border crossings appear to have been rising from April and were well above normal levels before Biden took office. Pictorially, I think this makes very, very clear that there the major increase in immigration started in 2020 whilst Trump was in charge.

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This is also a really interesting graph because it shows that whilst the initial push was from the normal places (Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras), later on there appears to have been a massive load of people from atypical regions. Something unusual happened here, which cannot be readily be explained by the bullshit "Biden lax" narrative that has become popular myth.

He was not lax - there was a load of other stuff going on. I've already detailed some of this, and I also refer you to Asita's detailed post on the matter.
 
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Have heard of this group for a while, but hadn't looked into it any further cos it's effects and techniques were already known and obvious elsewhere, having seen such work taking down Corbyn and cleansing the labour party of anyone else mildly entertaining even the thought of agreeing with progressives. Other areas were prioritised instead. But now perhaps the environment is less dismissive towards learning of the mechanisms from investigative journalists instead.
We welcome Jacqueline Sweet back to the studio to talk about her new exposé on Canary Mission, the pro-Israel doxing group; plus the Blaze’s J6 pipe bombing story and more…
Not sure why it only shows a preview here, the episode is free access. Or is that just my browser?
 

Agema

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Have heard of this group for a while, but hadn't looked into it any further cos it's effects and techniques were already known and obvious elsewhere, having seen such work taking down Corbyn and cleansing the labour party of anyone else mildly entertaining even the thought of agreeing with progressives.
If they cleansed the Labour Party, it was in the form of a bleach injection.

A few months ago, one of the Labour party apparatchiks sent round some sort of memo ranting about the professional and managerial class. Did he not realise who voted for his party? I noted that Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood recently had a go at "fucking white liberals". Does she not realise who voted for her party? Evidently not. I say voted, because Labour has managed to drive away a staggering proportion of their voters, mostly "fucking white liberals" to the Greens and Liberal Democrats. It seems for all the world like the current party mafia holds its its own voters in contempt.

The balancing act of the Labour Party was to ensure that the left did not take over the party, whilst offering them enough to keep them on board. The traditional left-leaning working class left mostly went under Blair. And I get why they were left to drift, because the traditional working classes have vastly shrunk as a proportion of the population, are less likely to vote, and less rich and time to devote to political support. They would always be less and less viable as the foundation of the party.

They were replaced by an alliance mostly of progressives, liberals, moderates and minorities. Then they decided to purge the party of various undesirables again... but guess what, guys: they were actually core party membership and there's no-one to replace them.
 
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And they were all staged. Remember, if it doesn't work, it doesn't count, and clearly Trump just has "stage assassination" in his back pocket at all times. Much more believable than just assuming people are bad at assassinating.
 
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