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That article also greatly underestimates inefficiencies in renewables. Also, cost matters as well, the article mentions that EVs are far more efficient than ICE but EVs without subsidies are completely unaffordable (at least just a few years ago, maybe they are legit affordable now but they also kill the used car market though).
If you want to claim renewables are just as wasteful, you're going to need to substantiate it.

Could've invested in infrastructure for a very well known technology vs an unknown one with issues that didn't have solutions.
* did have solutions, which we have already successfully put in place.

Britain puts hidden taxes in the energy bill. Also, the renewables you built and paid for had to be turned of over half the time because you didn't have grid infrastructure to move the output. Putting all that money into renewables was a bad idea and very inefficient (since you like being efficient and all).
Let's see where you're getting your information, please.

You've never shown that fossil fuel subsidies currently exceed renewables in the US. Even if my source is indeed massively underestimating fossil fuel subsidies, renewables could still easily be getting more subsidies.
I have provided a source showing subsidies going to fossil fuels which massively outnumber any estimate for renewables.

And your response is just... speculation that renewables could be getting more.
 

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Indeed because their voters have the memory of a goldfish. After everyone more or less conceded Brexit failed they now want the guy who conned them into voting for Brexit?

Its weird that people go ''Okay I know he tricked us into disaster last time but THIS time its gonna be different''

Not at all helped by the fact its now pretty open knowledge the Epstein class was pulling some strings behind the scenes. Not all strings but the worst people imaginable, and pedophiles to boot being so invested and involved in a movement should already signal the whole affair was born out of bad intention and desire to do harm.
I am a lazy bastard, so I'm just going to post this. Skip the comedy bit at the start, I'd go 2 mins in,

 

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If you want to claim renewables are just as wasteful, you're going to need to substantiate it.



* did have solutions, which we have already successfully put in place.



Let's see where you're getting your information, please.



I have provided a source showing subsidies going to fossil fuels which massively outnumber any estimate for renewables.

And your response is just... speculation that renewables could be getting more.
I didn't, I said the EVs without subsidies have been completely unaffordable. Even if they are more energy efficient doesn't make them practical.

It didn't have solutions when it was invested into.

From the video I posted.

All your source had was how much money in subsidies went to fossil fuels, that provides 0 context.
 

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Great another person who retreated vs fight against tyranny and put their life on the line.

Edit: Also she is a coward.
 

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Millions of Dollars Have Now Been Awarded to People Fired over Charlie Kirk Comments

In the days following the shocking assassination of right-wing provocateur/debate charlatan/Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk in September of 2025, MAGA America spied a rare opportunity to lash out at perceived cultural foes and profiteer all at once. Before they’d gotten around to turning the death into a cheap fundraising plug, and presumably before Vice President JD Vance managed to use the death as a rationale for impregnating his wife for the fourth time, the first days immediately following the assassination were marked by a different endeavor: a coordinated campaign to use any online commentary about the shooting as a social cudgel against any “liberal” identifying Americans who dared to share an opinion, no matter how tepid.

Through mass campaigns of online harassment, complaint submissions and calls and emails to employers, MAGA America subsequently embarked on the biggest cancel culture campaign the nation had ever seen, despite previously decrying any effort to do these exact things as traitorous behavior or styling themselves as “free speech absolutists.” All told, at least 600 Americans were fired, suspended, or investigated by their employers (many in academia or public service) in the days following the death of Charlie Kirk, with companies frequently kowtowing to Libs of TikTok-style online pressure campaigns to avoid negative attention, even when their offending employee had posted something truly innocuous. In many cases, people lost their jobs for simply posting quotes from the likes of Donald Trump or Kirk himself. But checking back in now, some 10 months later, many of those people not only succeeded in getting their jobs back–they’ve also received hefty settlements following the world’s most obvious wrongful termination lawsuits. Millions of dollars have cumulatively been awarded to people fired or even jailed over Charlie Kirk-related comments.
 

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I didn't, I said the EVs without subsidies have been completely unaffordable. Even if they are more energy efficient doesn't make them practical.
Uh-huh, but i also provided a source showing they're cheaper to produce.

It didn't have solutions when it was invested into.
Then solutions were made!

From the video I posted.
Oh, the corp propaganda interviewing someone without any relevant expertise.

All your source had was how much money in subsidies went to fossil fuels, that provides 0 context.
The context is that there's no estimate or evidence that renewables receive anywhere near as much.
 

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Uh-huh, but i also provided a source showing they're cheaper to produce.



Then solutions were made!



Oh, the corp propaganda interviewing someone without any relevant expertise.



The context is that there's no estimate or evidence that renewables receive anywhere near as much.
The Nissan example (since they are the most normal cars in this comparison article). The Leaf cost $10,000 more upfront than the Sentra. And the Leaf should end up costing less over time. However, it would take nearly 12 years to make up the $10,000 difference in upfront costs when compared with the Sentra. A regular person is going to buy an ICE car over the EV quite easily. And EVs don't really have used market like ICE cars because the battery cost so much to replace that you don't want to buy used EV.

Or you could have nuclear or hydro and be in a much better place instead of paying like the highest electricity costs in the world. Then you complain you don't have enough money to buy a place, maybe the policies that you are for are the very policies that are making you worse off.

It's pretty easy to Google that to confirm it's a thing because it is a thing.

Yeah there is, I literally provided the article.
 

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Melania Trump Wanted to Ban Elon Musk from Sleeping at the White House

According to the new book Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump, at one point Musk became so close to Donald Trump that he was invited to spend the night at the White House. The invitation reportedly came during a conversation aboard Air Force One when Trump asked Musk where he was staying that evening.

Musk didn’t have a plan, so Trump suggested he stay at the White House. And not just in any old room.



According to the book, Trump invited Musk to stay in the Lincoln Bedroom, one of the most famous rooms in the White House and a space traditionally reserved for royalty, foreign dignitaries, and some of the country’s most important guests.

The infamous guest suite literally features a desk with the original handwritten, signed copy of the Gettysburg Address so just imagine Musk rolling around in that room.


And interestingly, even though First Lady Melania Trump famously does not spend her time in D.C., the book claims she wasn’t thrilled by the arrangement and tried to put her foot down on these sleepovers.

According to the reporting, there was a lot of back-and-forth between the president and first lady over Musk staying, but ultimately, Musk did spend several nights in the Lincoln Bedroom and later bragged to reporters about his White House stays.

Reportedly other nights, Musk slept at friends houses or in a sleeping bag on the floor of his office in the Eisenhower building. Isn’t he the richest man on earth? Why doesn’t he just, you know, get a hotel?

Clearly he did love staying at the White House and even described Trump as an unusually generous host. Musk said Trump would call him late at night and remind him to get ice cream from the White House kitchen.

“I ate a whole tub of ice cream,” Musk recalled. “Caramel, Häagen-Dazs. I mean, don’t tell RFK.”

It’s an image that feels almost impossible to picture: the richest man in the world, crashing at the White House, eating caramel Häagen-Dazs in the middle of the night, and becoming enough of a fixture around the president that the first lady reportedly wanted him out of the guest room.
 

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The Nissan example (since they are the most normal cars in this comparison article). The Leaf cost $10,000 more upfront than the Sentra. And the Leaf should end up costing less over time. However, it would take nearly 12 years to make up the $10,000 difference in upfront costs when compared with the Sentra. A regular person is going to buy an ICE car over the EV quite easily. And EVs don't really have used market like ICE cars because the battery cost so much to replace that you don't want to buy used EV.
What relevance does any of this have?

Or you could have nuclear or hydro and be in a much better place instead of paying like the highest electricity costs in the world. Then you complain you don't have enough money to buy a place, maybe the policies that you are for are the very policies that are making you worse off.
1. Hydro is a renewable. 2. Prices are set by the private companies, and are not set according to the cost of generation. We've been over this already.

It's pretty easy to Google that to confirm it's a thing because it is a thing.
Google can take you to good info. It can also take you to misleading or politically slanted info; the fossil fuel industry pays for a lot of puff pieces in right-wing tabloids. Or, quite often, you misunderstand what you're reading altogether.

Yeah there is, I literally provided the article.
Nothing you've provided shows renewable subsidies rivalling the fossil fuel subsidies identified by Oil Change Intl.
 

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What relevance does any of this have?



1. Hydro is a renewable. 2. Prices are set by the private companies, and are not set according to the cost of generation. We've been over this already.



Google can take you to good info. It can also take you to misleading or politically slanted info; the fossil fuel industry pays for a lot of puff pieces in right-wing tabloids. Or, quite often, you misunderstand what you're reading altogether.



Nothing you've provided shows renewable subsidies rivalling the fossil fuel subsidies identified by Oil Change Intl.
EVs aren't affordable for people without subsidies while ICE cars are.

I know... and it's better than wind/solar. Hence why just about every country that has a significant chunk of energy coming from renewables, most of that is hydro.

Green taxes account for 13% of your energy bill.

I will take government data and analysis over a bias organization's data and analysis.
 

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EVs aren't affordable for people without subsidies while ICE cars are.
So? You think that's a direct result of the cost of renewable energy generation, do you?

I know... and it's better than wind/solar. Hence why just about every country that has a significant chunk of energy coming from renewables, most of that is hydro.
So?

Green taxes account for 13% of your energy bill.
So not "hidden taxes", then. You're talking about the levy.

Proceeds of which were reinvested in boiler upgrade schemes, insulation schemes etc, and have lowered household costs in the long term.

I will take government data and analysis over a bias organization's data and analysis.
Even though we know the EIA data doesn't cover all subsidies.

Bud, the government is a "bias organisation". One under intense lobbying from fossil fuel corporations, and staffed by fossil fuel ideologues.
 

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That's ok. GOP recently got openings
They never make clear why money being spend on the citizens is such a horror. For Republicans that makes sense but Democrats should want that rather than get mad about it
 
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They never make clear why money being spend on the citizens is such a horror. For Republicans that makes sense but Democrats should want that rather than get mad about it
What part of that article makes you think Carville opposes spending? He's expressing disconnect between himself and a candidate that has previously called for "the eradication of western civilization", as well as describing minorities with white women as "fetishizing ugly colonizer women", who envisions a future with "no borders, prisons, or police" as the only moral option. Traditional Democratic policies can still want to spend all the money while trying to distance from these views.
 

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So apperently the Great State Fair has kicked off.


For a moment there, I thought it was a pic of the Reflecting Pool. Loving the little arch at the bottom.
 

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What part of that article makes you think Carville opposes spending? He's expressing disconnect between himself and a candidate that has previously called for "the eradication of western civilization", as well as describing minorities with white women as "fetishizing ugly colonizer women", who envisions a future with "no borders, prisons, or police" as the only moral option. Traditional Democratic policies can still want to spend all the money while trying to distance from these views.
Probably because the argument of such ''third way leftists'' is never that they fully agree social democracy should go back to its roots rather than endlessly cover for the mutations of neoliberalism but that they just think the social democrats are a wee bit anti jew, and that they will endorse all their policies but just be nicer to Jews.

In short it reminds me of a smear job as with Corbyn where it was used to avoid having to cede the economic argument and just write him off by default. Their real problem is far more likely Mamdani himself than whatever people that take inspiration from him are saying
 

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It's almost like when you read that book your country gets better because you are basically listening to experts instead of being corrupt shitheads, I wonder why....

Edit: The book in question...