Windows 8 Leak Earns Ex-Microsoft Employee 3 Month Jail Term

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Windows 8 Leak Earns Ex-Microsoft Employee 3 Month Jail Term



'I got my lesson not to discuss my work projects with external parties,' Alex Kibkalo tells the judge.

Alex Kibkalo, the ex-Microsoft employee who pled guilty on charges of leaking Microsoft's trade secrets to a French blogger, has been sentenced to 3 months in prison. Judge John C. Coughenour also ordered Kibkalo to pay a $100 fine, but that fine was waived as the court deemed it unlikely that Kibkalo would be able to pay it. The prosecution had recommended Kibkalo pay $22,500 in restitution to Microsoft, but the Judge didn't agree [http://seattletimes.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/microsoftpri0/files/2014/06/kibkalojudgment.pdf].

Kibkalo, a security and IT architecture specialist of more than 10 years standing, passed on pre-release source code for the version of Windows 8 used by ARM devices, as well as Microsoft's Activation Server Software Development Kit. According to a letter [http://seattletimes.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/microsoftpri0/files/2014/06/kibkaloletter.pdf] from Kibkalo to the Judge, he describes this action as "a wrong decision," and says "I got my lesson not to discuss my work projects with external parties." Though he doesn't explicitly say so, Kibkalo seems to imply that the wrong decision wasn't malicious but simple naiveté; he describes himself as an enthusiastic blogger and communicator, often talking to all kinds of people about any number of things.

As a result of this case, Microsoft has changed its policy about email communications. In order to find out more about Kibkalo it examined the contents of his French contact's Hotmail account, an action that it justified under its terms of service, saying that the "exceptional circumstances" warranted the search. Microsoft counsel John Frank [http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_on_the_issues/archive/2014/03/20/strengthening-our-policies-for-investigations.aspx] also claimed there is no procedure for this sort of thing; Microsoft owns Hotmail, so it was effectively searching its own servers, and courts don't have any means of authorizing a company to search its own records.

Whether or not the terms of service did in fact justify the search, Microsoft caught a lot of criticism for looking at a user's personal email account without obtaining a court order. Its new policies, instituted after the Kibkalo case, call for it first to determine whether or not a court order would be warranted if one was applicable, and then to submit the evidence to an outside attorney who is a former federal judge. If that outside attorney agrees that there is a case to answer, and the evidence would justify a court order, the search will be conducted.

Source: Seattle Times [http://blogs.seattletimes.com/microsoftpri0/2014/06/12/man-accused-of-stealing-microsoft-trade-secrets-gets-3-month-prison-sentence/]


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Karloff said:
Windows 8 Leak Earns Ex-Microsoft Employee 3 Month Jail Term
Judge John C. Coughenour also ordered Kibkalo to pay a $100 fine, but that fine was waived as the court deemed it unlikely that Kibkalo would be able to pay it.>
Is that a typo or a joke that I don't get?
 

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Whether or not the terms of service did in fact justify the search, Microsoft caught a lot of criticism for looking at a user's personal email account without obtaining a court order. Its new policies, instituted after the Kibkalo case, call for it first to determine whether or not a court order would be warranted if one was applicable, and then to submit the evidence to an outside attorney who is a former federal judge. If that outside attorney agrees that there is a case to answer, and the evidence would justify a court order, the search will be conducted.
Pretty sure there should be a certain expectation of privacy involved there. If I were keeping things in a storage locker and I appeared to be meeting my end of the agreement with them, it wouldn't be legal for them to search it, so it shouldn't be legal for a company like Microsoft to read my private emails without getting a court order first.

And if I understand these new terms correctly then they're also rather troubling. If they think they have a case where a court order would be appropriate they'll go to someone who isn't actually a judge any more, give them the evidence, and if he says it's cool they'll take a peek without actually going to the courts to get a court order? What the fuck? And should people just trust the judgement of this person Microsoft is likely paying directly for his services?
 

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Exterminas said:
Karloff said:
Windows 8 Leak Earns Ex-Microsoft Employee 3 Month Jail Term
Judge John C. Coughenour also ordered Kibkalo to pay a $100 fine, but that fine was waived as the court deemed it unlikely that Kibkalo would be able to pay it.>
Is that a typo or a joke that I don't get?
Nope. Looks as though Kibkalo's broke. If his letter is to be believed, this mistake cost him pretty much everything he had, including two jobs.
 

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In other words: If you're still stupid enough to use Hotmail; Stop. Stop right now.
 

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Wait, so their new policy is to do the search, but someone else is doing it and totally not them so it's completely okay, and then if that person tells them they will find what they're looking for they ask a judge if they can do the search?
 

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Ok, as a side note before I make my silly comment: They just dug through his personal email just because they own the email service? That is, like, 50 shades of scummy right there. Like, I'm utterly disgusted by how casually they just broke employee privacy for their own end. I'd *hate* to be an employee there, and would likely leave once this story hit. That, and instantly change my email provider (well, I use Gmail, but I think "brand loyalty" comes into play when you work for a big brand.)

Onto the topic of leaking Windows 8 information, I think Microsoft can flip right off. Like, I get privacy is a thing, and you want to make sure no one else does it, but jeez, this guy lost his job AND all his money, and you are still throwing him in jail? Freakin' ludicrous. He really doesn't deserve that for leaking, if it has to do with Windows 8, junk software information.

Lord forbid you jail the ONE guy actually excited about your stuff. No wonder everyone else hates Windows 8, then don't want jail time for it.
 

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Chaos James said:
Ok, as a side note before I make my silly comment: They just dug through his personal email just because they own the email service? That is, like, 50 shades of scummy right there. Like, I'm utterly disgusted by how casually they just broke employee privacy for their own end. I'd *hate* to be an employee there, and would likely leave once this story hit. That, and instantly change my email provider (well, I use Gmail, but I think "brand loyalty" comes into play when you work for a big brand.)
Nope. They searched the email of the French blogger. Good try, though.

OT: Can't even pay the $100 fine? Christ, I wish the guy luck in his recovery attempts. :(
 

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Karloff said:
'I got my lesson not to discuss my work projects with external parties,' Alex Kibkalo tells the judge.

What a load of bollocks! He didn't just 'discuss' it, he passed on the actual code/materials. It's theft of corporate property, as well as can be considered corporate espionage for leaking of major company secrets. This guy is a good case of BAD EMPLOYEE and just BAD PERSON in general. He should have gotten more than 3 months of jail for this theft.
 

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Deathfish15 said:
Karloff said:
'I got my lesson not to discuss my work projects with external parties,' Alex Kibkalo tells the judge.

What a load of bollocks! He didn't just 'discuss' it, he passed on the actual code/materials. It's theft of corporate property, as well as can be considered corporate espionage for leaking of major company secrets. This guy is a good case of BAD EMPLOYEE and just BAD PERSON in general. He should have gotten more than 3 months of jail for this theft.
Eh, I wouldn't jump to the "bad person" conclusion so quickly. If the blogger was pressing for "more info" (and many would), and the guy hadn't been trained correctly (also common), it's fully possible that he didn't think it would be an issue. People have done dumber things because no one told them not to.

That said, leaking code does put a damper on things.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Deathfish15 said:
Karloff said:
'I got my lesson not to discuss my work projects with external parties,' Alex Kibkalo tells the judge.

What a load of bollocks! He didn't just 'discuss' it, he passed on the actual code/materials. It's theft of corporate property, as well as can be considered corporate espionage for leaking of major company secrets. This guy is a good case of BAD EMPLOYEE and just BAD PERSON in general. He should have gotten more than 3 months of jail for this theft.
Eh, I wouldn't jump to the "bad person" conclusion so quickly. If the blogger was pressing for "more info" (and many would), and the guy hadn't been trained correctly (also common), it's fully possible that he didn't think it would be an issue. People have done dumber things because no one told them not to.

That said, leaking code does put a damper on things.
A "security and IT architecture specialist of more than 10 years standing" doesn't just pass long the SOURCE CODE to Windows without knowing that it's WRONG.
 

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NLS said:
lacktheknack said:
Deathfish15 said:
Karloff said:
'I got my lesson not to discuss my work projects with external parties,' Alex Kibkalo tells the judge.

What a load of bollocks! He didn't just 'discuss' it, he passed on the actual code/materials. It's theft of corporate property, as well as can be considered corporate espionage for leaking of major company secrets. This guy is a good case of BAD EMPLOYEE and just BAD PERSON in general. He should have gotten more than 3 months of jail for this theft.
Eh, I wouldn't jump to the "bad person" conclusion so quickly. If the blogger was pressing for "more info" (and many would), and the guy hadn't been trained correctly (also common), it's fully possible that he didn't think it would be an issue. People have done dumber things because no one told them not to.

That said, leaking code does put a damper on things.
A "security and IT architecture specialist of more than 10 years standing" doesn't just pass long the SOURCE CODE to Windows without knowing that it's WRONG.
Touche. He definitely should have known better after being a specialist for that long.
 

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I find it funny that the courts waive a $100 fine because the person can't afford to pay it, meanwhile there are all those dirty music piraters (housewives and students, etc.) who get Million dollar fines and those DON'T get waived...what?...because they CAN afford to pay them? Yeah, right!

Edit: The guy's mistake was, first...getting caught, and second...not being rich. If he were rich he could have got himself a lawyer smart enough to claim "Affluenza" and got him off with just a warning and some rehab time. Rich people don't serve jail time.
 

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Good luck getting rehired buddy. That sort of thing isn't going to look good to potential employers. Bad judgement as well as violating policy.
 

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Like it even matters if he leaks Windows 8 shit or not.

I had the displeasure of using it over the weekend for the first time and it was a piece of trash. Bless the souls of any software company dumb enough to actually steal and use any of that info.
 

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008Zulu said:
What was the trade secret he leaked; Windows 8 is useful as a chocolate coffee pot?
Dragonbums said:
Like it even matters if he leaks Windows 8 shit or not.

I had the displeasure of using it over the weekend for the first time and it was a piece of trash. Bless the souls of any software company dumb enough to actually steal and use any of that info.
So because you two doesn't understand the system, the system is stupid? And that this in some way makes it justifiable to leak secrets about it? What an exceptional train of logic right there.... :eek:)

The problem with Windows 8 is all about intuition. The system is not intuitive, which makes it difficult for newbies (like, for example, my mom) to learn and use. While that is certainly a problem, and not one that should be ignored, that doesn't mean it's all bad. It's still faster than Windows 7 in many aspects, and if you're a power user and have some patience in learning your way around the system, there's many benefits to reap.

Been using Windows 8 (now 8.1) for a year and 3 months now, and I'm not going back to Windows 7 anytime soon. Windows 8 has improved my workflow in many ways. Yes it took some time, but being patient actually benefits you in the end. Also, the latest updates to Windows 8.1 has brought several improvements that once again makes the system more intuitive.

That said, i feel that Microsoft is losing the battle to Apple on this one. I'm an avid anti-Apple person, but their latest showings at WWDC impressed me, particularly the improvements to iOS 8. Microsoft and Google better up their game soon.
 

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Exterminas said:
Is that a typo or a joke that I don't get?
I would interpret that as the cost of this case has likely bankrupted the developer in question.

Lose your job, lose your insurance, lose your house because you lost your job, incur a mortgage sized debt in legal fees but have no job and no assets to pay them off with.

Suddenly finding a hundred dollars may as well be finding half a million.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Nope. They searched the email of the French blogger. Good try, though.

OT: Can't even pay the $100 fine? Christ, I wish the guy luck in his recovery attempts. :(
Well, that's what I get for posting when I'm tired and unable to read clearly, XD.

Still 49 shades of scummy just reading the emails of some person on the net. I still don't think the ends justified the means without proper channels.

But we can nick the mix-up to "always be clear in what you read, especially when going on to call companies mean things."
 

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Athinira said:
So because you two doesn't understand the system, the system is stupid?
Um yeah. You are making a UI interface for the public consumer market. I'm not computer stupid in the least, but it took me 5 minutes to get the hang of switching between desktop mode and...whatever the fuck Windows 8 is infamous for. Even more time to find the control panel for my computer.


And that this in some way makes it justifiable to leak secrets about it?
I never said he was justified in leaking any Microsoft secrets. Don't put words in my mouth.

I said it would mean fuck all because Windows 8 is the most hated software since the Vista.