Windows 8 Leak Earns Ex-Microsoft Employee 3 Month Jail Term

Athinira

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Dragonbums said:
Um yeah. You are making a UI interface for the public consumer market. I'm not computer stupid in the least, but it took me 5 minutes to get the hang of switching between desktop mode and...whatever the fuck Windows 8 is infamous for. Even more time to find the control panel for my computer.
I remember the first time i tried Windows 8 was when it was in beta. Compared to the Windows 7 beta, which won me over instantly from Vista, the Windows 8 beta disgusted me so quickly that i swiched back a few days later.

The system had a rocky start, we agree. Windows 8.1 has improved much though. I happen to be IT-administrator of an institution. We had a lot of problems with our users learning Windows 8. However, after we upgraded to Windows 8.1 with the latest update (Windows 8.1 update 1), support cases have dropped almost 25% (and the last 75% aren't even all Windows-related).

Edit: still it's a terrible thing to be spending time and company money on, but at least Microsoft is moving in the right direction.

Dragonbums said:
I never said he was justified in leaking any Microsoft secrets. Don't put words in my mouth.

I said it would mean fuck all because Windows 8 is the most hated software since the Vista.
What you said still implies that the crime is irrelevant, just because the system is hated.

To give an analogy, if we were discussing an entirely different subject (like, say, a rape case), what you said in your first paragraph would basically be the equivalent to saying "So what if he raped some drug-addict?". You might not have said that it's okay, but i still don't imagine that sentence would have made your very popular.
 

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"So... what are you in for?"

"I murdered ten guys with a nailgun."

"Cool. I told a blogger about windows 8."
 

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Athinira said:
I remember the first time i tried Windows 8 was when it was in beta. Compared to the Windows 7 beta, which won me over instantly from Vista, the Windows 8 beta disgusted me so quickly that i swiched back a few days later.

The system had a rocky start, we agree. Windows 8.1 has improved much though. I happen to be IT-administrator of an institution. We had a lot of problems with our users learning Windows 8. However, after we upgraded to Windows 8.1 with the latest update (Windows 8.1 update 1), support cases have dropped almost 25% (and the last 75% aren't even all Windows-related).

Edit: still it's a terrible thing to be spending time and company money on, but at least Microsoft is moving in the right direction.
The damage has already been done. I'm not getting Windows 8. I'm skipping it. First impressions mean everything. And for a good chunk of the consumer base people who use Windows 8 still hates it, and those who didn't upgrade aren't buying it. It got to a point where Hewlett Packard re advertised new laptops and computers with Windows 7.

Dragonbums said:
What you said still implies that the crime is irrelevant, just because the system is hated.

Apathy is not the same as supporting the crime. I'm not rooting for the guy. I personally think he was an idiot to be in that position for 10 years and not know not to give out codes to anyone for anything. However I don't care. Because again Windows 8 was a mistake storm.

To give an analogy, if we were discussing an entirely different subject (like, say, a rape case), what you said in your first paragraph would basically be the equivalent to saying "So what if he raped some drug-addict?". You might not have said that it's okay, but i still don't imagine that sentence would have made your very popular.
Ah yes. Let's compare software code to something emotionally and mentally destroying as rape.
 

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3 months of prison? Too harsh. As people here have said, he's already lost everything.

Athinira said:
=if you're a power user and have some patience in learning your way around the system, there's many benefits to reap.

Been using Windows 8 (now 8.1) for a year and 3 months now, and I'm not going back to Windows 7 anytime soon. Windows 8 has improved my workflow in many ways. Yes it took some time, but being patient actually benefits you in the end.
Actually, I'm curious now, what benefits specifically have you found? A lot of people, besides the Metro UI and slightly faster startup speed, have noticed no difference between 8 and 7.
 

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Athinira said:
So because you two doesn't understand the system, the system is stupid?
No, I understand it, better than most in fact. I spend a good deal of my time teaching others how to use it. See, here's why it fails as a desktop operating system; It's not designed for desktop operating systems. Since it's release, Microsoft have had to go back and essentially rebuild the desktop version so it can be used as a desktop version. That's why it's a failure.
 

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Genocidicles said:
"So... what are you in for?"

"I murdered ten guys with a nailgun."

"Cool. I told a blogger about windows 8."
Let's be fair, he won't be in prison with rapists and murderers. He won't be going, as a certain movie dubbed it, 'federal pound me in the ass prison'. He'll be in minimum security, and is more likely to suffer from boredom and ennui than violence. Which isn't to say it is justified or not over sentancing, the guy will never work in his industry again and especially with prison on his record likely never a decent job period.
 

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How. Just how did he ever think he could get away with giving out god-damn source code. As someone who works in the industry, it just boggles my mind how he thought this would be anything else but a horrible idea.
 

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Dragonbums said:
Athinira said:
So because you two doesn't understand the system, the system is stupid?
Um yeah. You are making a UI interface for the public consumer market. I'm not computer stupid in the least, but it took me 5 minutes to get the hang of switching between desktop mode and...whatever the fuck Windows 8 is infamous for. Even more time to find the control panel for my computer.
Seriously? It took you 5 minutes to figure out how to click 2 buttons? I think that's more on you than Microsoft dude. As for the control panel, all you have to do is open the start menu and type "control panel", alternatively you can also pin it directly to the start menu so it's exactly 2 click away at any moment just like with windows 7.
 

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Oh, come on. Windows 8 is shit. A man shouldn't be punished for THAT. Wait 'till it happens to a money-making product.
 

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Dragonbums said:
The damage has already been done. I'm not getting Windows 8. I'm skipping it. First impressions mean everything.
If first impressions meant everything, then i wouldn't be using Windows 8 right now.

First impressions only mean everything to people who easily rejects change, people who have little patience, or people who are narrow-minded.

Fortunately for me, i have plenty of patience and a willingness to try new things. That's why i ended up adopting it after i discovered the usefulness of all the advantages. If Windows 8 had only continued to give me trouble, then i would eventually have abandoned it anyway.

Dragonbums said:
Apathy is not the same as supporting the crime. I'm not rooting for the guy. I personally think he was an idiot to be in that position for 10 years and not know not to give out codes to anyone for anything. However I don't care. Because again Windows 8 was a mistake storm.
It's still not what you said.

Dragonbums said:
Ah yes. Let's compare software code to something emotionally and mentally destroying as rape.
Except i didn't compare the two. I only compared the principle of the meaning of your words, which is the entire point of making an analogy.

I could have easily picked plenty of other subjects and use it to make an analogy. I selected this one because it was rather effective way to demonstrate my point.
 

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Arnoxthe1 said:
Actually, I'm curious now, what benefits specifically have you found? A lot of people, besides the Metro UI and slightly faster startup speed, have noticed no difference between 8 and 7.
As mentioned in the disclaimer in what you quoted, 'If you are a power user' applies here ;-)

Anyway, there's a lot of administrative advantages for those of us who works in IT (although they are far from as useful as the advantages we saw in the move from Vista or XP to Windows 7).

For me as a personal user, the new start menu (especially in 8.1) is actually a huge advantage. People spew a lot of hate against it, but when you think about it, the new Start Menu is actually customizable to your own preference, where the Windows 7 start menu typically just ended up being loaded with a million random folders. It gives easy access to your needed software and only displays what you want it to display. Also, from an administrative (work-related) point of view, i can actually set up the start menu and then lock it down, so it only contains the software the user of the machine needs.

This is by far superior to the Win 7 start menu in terms of launching software, and it's also superior to the desktop launching scheme, since that either requires you to minimize all windows, or use the Win-D shortcut (which is still an inferior solution since launching a piece of software from the desktop still ). Also desktops tends to get cluttered easily with all sorts of random files and stuff.

For users of screens with really DPI (like 4k screens, or small Full HD screens), Windows 8 also introduced scaling of the user interface, where Windows 7 only offered scaling of text.
Then there's touchscreen-devices, which doesn't need to be tablets these days. A lot of laptops are starting to support this, and it's actually a great experience with Windows 8.

Then there's multi-monitor support. A few small benefits in Windows 8 there, like multi-monitor taskbars (personally not a feature i use, but it's still there). There's also some inherent advantages if you use USB 3.0. I've had a lot of issues with Win7 devices and USB 3.0 drivers, especially for performance-critical applications like audio-managing. Windows 8 just works out of the box on that one. Storage Spaces, which works similar to the linux feature LVM (Logical Volume Manager) allows you to move away from the traditional Disk-Partition scheme, which is a great advantage, especially in desktop PC's who usually have the capability to contain many hard drives or solid state disks.

Also some disadvantages obviously, but to me they are rather minor. Most importantly though, Windows 8.1 actually runs very smooth, which is an advantage on older computer hardware. We actually had 60 PC's at my workplace that we were considering throwing out due to speed issues (processors were fine, but RAM was sparse and hard drives were slow). Tested them with Windows 8.1, and they ran much much better, so we reimaged them all and shipped them out into use.
 

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Olas said:
Dragonbums said:
Athinira said:
So because you two doesn't understand the system, the system is stupid?
Um yeah. You are making a UI interface for the public consumer market. I'm not computer stupid in the least, but it took me 5 minutes to get the hang of switching between desktop mode and...whatever the fuck Windows 8 is infamous for. Even more time to find the control panel for my computer.
Seriously? It took you 5 minutes to figure out how to click 2 buttons? I think that's more on you than Microsoft dude. As for the control panel, all you have to do is open the start menu and type "control panel", alternatively you can also pin it directly to the start menu so it's exactly 2 click away at any moment just like with windows 7.
Two clicks? If I remember correctly I had to drag my mouse at the corner of the screen and wait for the window to pop up. Especially frustrating when it came to accessing the control panel. Honestly I'm not putting up with that shit. Desktop mode should of been default for all laptops and desktop computers. Fisher Price UI should be left for tablets, and that weird magnetic laptop,tablet hybrid thing they had on display at one of their stores.
 

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Athinira said:
Arnoxthe1 said:
Actually, I'm curious now, what benefits specifically have you found? A lot of people, besides the Metro UI and slightly faster startup speed, have noticed no difference between 8 and 7.
As mentioned in the disclaimer in what you quoted, 'If you are a power user' applies here ;-)

Anyway, there's a lot of administrative advantages for those of us who works in IT (although they are far from as useful as the advantages we saw in the move from Vista or XP to Windows 7).

For me as a personal user, the new start menu (especially in 8.1) is actually a huge advantage. People spew a lot of hate against it, but when you think about it, the new Start Menu is actually customizable to your own preference, where the Windows 7 start menu typically just ended up being loaded with a million random folders. It gives easy access to your needed software and only displays what you want it to display. Also, from an administrative (work-related) point of view, i can actually set up the start menu and then lock it down, so it only contains the software the user of the machine needs.

This is by far superior to the Win 7 start menu in terms of launching software, and it's also superior to the desktop launching scheme, since that either requires you to minimize all windows, or use the Win-D shortcut (which is still an inferior solution since launching a piece of software from the desktop still ). Also desktops tends to get cluttered easily with all sorts of random files and stuff.

For users of screens with really DPI (like 4k screens, or small Full HD screens), Windows 8 also introduced scaling of the user interface, where Windows 7 only offered scaling of text.
Then there's touchscreen-devices, which doesn't need to be tablets these days. A lot of laptops are starting to support this, and it's actually a great experience with Windows 8.

Then there's multi-monitor support. A few small benefits in Windows 8 there, like multi-monitor taskbars (personally not a feature i use, but it's still there). There's also some inherent advantages if you use USB 3.0. I've had a lot of issues with Win7 devices and USB 3.0 drivers, especially for performance-critical applications like audio-managing. Windows 8 just works out of the box on that one. Storage Spaces, which works similar to the linux feature LVM (Logical Volume Manager) allows you to move away from the traditional Disk-Partition scheme, which is a great advantage, especially in desktop PC's who usually have the capability to contain many hard drives or solid state disks.

Also some disadvantages obviously, but to me they are rather minor. Most importantly though, Windows 8.1 actually runs very smooth, which is an advantage on older computer hardware. We actually had 60 PC's at my workplace that we were considering throwing out due to speed issues (processors were fine, but RAM was sparse and hard drives were slow). Tested them with Windows 8.1, and they ran much much better, so we reimaged them all and shipped them out into use.
I see. Well, I'm actually glad it's good for something and Microsoft didn't screw it up as much as I thought. My laptop came with both Windows 7 and 8.1 so I could switch any time if I wanted. It may not be worth the trouble though at this point.

Also nice to listen to a different, well thought-out point of view on this as well.
 

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Dragonbums said:
Olas said:
Dragonbums said:
Athinira said:
So because you two doesn't understand the system, the system is stupid?
Um yeah. You are making a UI interface for the public consumer market. I'm not computer stupid in the least, but it took me 5 minutes to get the hang of switching between desktop mode and...whatever the fuck Windows 8 is infamous for. Even more time to find the control panel for my computer.
Seriously? It took you 5 minutes to figure out how to click 2 buttons? I think that's more on you than Microsoft dude. As for the control panel, all you have to do is open the start menu and type "control panel", alternatively you can also pin it directly to the start menu so it's exactly 2 click away at any moment just like with windows 7.
Two clicks? If I remember correctly I had to drag my mouse at the corner of the screen and wait for the window to pop up.
Like how you had to drag the mouse all the way down to start button and click on it in windows 7?

Also: Windows 8.1 has a start button now that is functionally identical to the one in windows 7.

Especially frustrating when it came to accessing the control panel.
Right clicking on the start button in Windows 8 brings up this menu


Like I said though, you can access it through the start screen too.

Honestly I'm not putting up with that shit. Desktop mode should of been default for all laptops and desktop computers. Fisher Price UI should be left for tablets, and that weird magnetic laptop,tablet hybrid thing they had on display at one of their stores.
Windows 8 has the same desktop UI as windows 7. Unless you're talking about the windows not being semi-transparent. I personally couldn't care less about whether my windows look like they're made of actual glass or not, but I acknowledge that it's just preference.
 

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Olas said:
Especially frustrating when it came to accessing the control panel.
Right clicking on the start button in Windows 8 brings up this menu


Like I said though, you can access it through the start screen too.
Sure, but how do you find this stuff out? Why would anyone think to do that? I just found out six months ago that you can hit the Windows key in Windows 7, type whatever you want to find and it'll make a list. I'm not computer-illiterate either; I've had experience with software design and the hardware innards.

The problem with Windows 8 - and, frankly, with all previous versions of Windows and probably OS's in general, but we've had time to get used to their eccentricities - is that none of these shortcuts are obvious or intuitive. Windows doesn't go, "Hey! You've dug up the Control Panel three times today. Here's a faster way!" or watched you individually minimize every single window on the desktop and said "Windows-M does that instantly!" It'd be nice if these little features would draw attention to themselves if you're obviously in need of them.
 

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Veylon said:
Olas said:
Especially frustrating when it came to accessing the control panel.
Right clicking on the start button in Windows 8 brings up this menu


Like I said though, you can access it through the start screen too.
Sure, but how do you find this stuff out? Why would anyone think to do that? I just found out six months ago that you can hit the Windows key in Windows 7, type whatever you want to find and it'll make a list. I'm not computer-illiterate either; I've had experience with software design and the hardware innards.

The problem with Windows 8 - and, frankly, with all previous versions of Windows and probably OS's in general, but we've had time to get used to their eccentricities - is that none of these shortcuts are obvious or intuitive. Windows doesn't go, "Hey! You've dug up the Control Panel three times today. Here's a faster way!" or watched you individually minimize every single window on the desktop and said "Windows-M does that instantly!" It'd be nice if these little features would draw attention to themselves if you're obviously in need of them.
Fair enough, I won't deny that Windows 8 was a flawed OS in it's earlier versions, and still lacks some cohesiveness. I just think too much of it's criticism is uninformed, and most of the early problems have been fixed.

I agree that OS in general would benefit from the type of built in tutorial you're describing. I think in the near future there will be more AI in operating systems, like programs that get repeatedly opened being automatically pinned to the desktop. My current part time job is literally helping people use computers, and some people are painfully clueless as to how things work.
 

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Somehow dumb enough to think that a borrowed laptop, onion router and firewall patch would be enough to fool the world´s leading supplier of operating systems. Stupid, mr Kibkalo. More than stupid, in fact, that was crazy. I´m afraid we´re going to have to have you commited. Mr Kibkalo, will you willingly submit to forced confinement? Did you hear that, agent?

He said yes mr Ballmer.
 

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Guy is an idiot. He has ruined his life. Forget about prison, how is this guy ever going to get a job in the tech industry now he was caught stealing code?
 

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wait what? microsoft just casually broke into people email adresses and this didnt result in legal nightmare concerning privacy? I mean We had exact same situation with Gmail that forced to legally stop doing that just less than a year ago! What microsoft did here is actually illegal. and data being on their servers is no excuse. mailman does not have a right to go through your mail just because the letter is in his bag.

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Chaos James said:
Ok, as a side note before I make my silly comment: They just dug through his personal email just because they own the email service? That is, like, 50 shades of scummy right there. Like, I'm utterly disgusted by how casually they just broke employee privacy for their own end. I'd *hate* to be an employee there, and would likely leave once this story hit. That, and instantly change my email provider (well, I use Gmail, but I think "brand loyalty" comes into play when you work for a big brand.)
Nope. They searched the email of the French blogger. Good try, though.
which is actually even worse, they pretty much broke into other persons mailbox and read his mail.

Kuala BangoDango said:
I find it funny that the courts waive a $100 fine because the person can't afford to pay it, meanwhile there are all those dirty music piraters (housewives and students, etc.) who get Million dollar fines and those DON'T get waived...what?...because they CAN afford to pay them? Yeah, right!
100 dollar fine - waived. whats that, 72 million dollars fine to a 82 year old that downloaded 12 songs? they certainly going to pay it up, and if not the fine transfers to the family!

Genocidicles said:
"So... what are you in for?"

"I murdered ten guys with a nailgun."

"Cool. I told a blogger about windows 8."
nah, different crimes actually get diferent blocks in prisons. ten guys with nailgun will certainly go into increased security part of the prison. meanwhile this guy will likely go up with cheating accountants and other frauds.

Arnoxthe1 said:
Actually, I'm curious now, what benefits specifically have you found? A lot of people, besides the Metro UI and slightly faster startup speed, have noticed no difference between 8 and 7.
windows 8 has a reworked kernel which makes it faster everywhere actually. even in videogames while the average FPS is almost indistinguishable the microstutter and FPS consistency is vastly improved. the UI is a hellstorm of fuckups that, no, 8.1 does not fix. however its insides are actually quite great. its like when manufacturing a new car you would put a sports car engine but for some reason the chassis is from an old ford.

Olas said:
Right clicking on the start button
Nobody does that. nobody.