13-Year Old Girl, Strip Searched ; For what ?

[Misaek]

Ok Ok gonna be calm...A. I would STILL not think this is legal/right if it was an illegal drug but it was ibuprofen last time I checked T.F.L (totally fucking legal) argh -1 hope for humanity

 

[chromewarriorXIII]

Was it even done by a woman police officer? If not that could also warrant a sexual assualt/abuse case.

Women but not even police officers. The school nurse and the principals assistant, both female at least.

Also, why are they just bringing this up now? The girl is 19.

 

[TheTygerfire]

Was it even done by a woman police officer? If not that could also warrant a sexual assualt/abuse case.

Women but not even police officers. The school nurse and the principals assistant, both female at least.

Also, why are they just bringing this up now? The girl is 19.

.....because she was 13, duh.

 

[chromewarriorXIII]

Was it even done by a woman police officer? If not that could also warrant a sexual assualt/abuse case.

Women but not even police officers. The school nurse and the principals assistant, both female at least.

Also, why are they just bringing this up now? The girl is 19.

.....because she was 13, duh.

Yeah but if you read the article it said it happened when she was 13. She is 19 now though, so why did this take 6 years to be brought up?

 

[TheTygerfire]

Was it even done by a woman police officer? If not that could also warrant a sexual assualt/abuse case.

Women but not even police officers. The school nurse and the principals assistant, both female at least.

Also, why are they just bringing this up now? The girl is 19.

.....because she was 13, duh.

Yeah but if you read the article it said it happened when she was 13. She is 19 now though, so why did this take 6 years to be brought up?

If YOU read the article it says that it's been in the courts for the last 6 years and is going to the Supreme Court.

 

[TriGGeR_HaPPy]

What follows is a considerably long rant, do not read if you don't want to get bored ...

In its appeal to the Supreme Court, the school district said restrictions on conducting student searches would cast a "roadblock to the kind of swift and effective response that is too often needed to protect the very safety of students, particularly from the threats posed by drugs and weapons."

If the administration at that school really felt that she was giving other kids "prescription strength ibuprofen", then they should call the police. Have some people who know what they are doing conduct a legal search, while beforehand making sure that they have proper grounds to conduct the search, and for gods sake, contact the parents at the very least.

In a famous 1969 ruling, the justices said students do not "shed their constitutional rights ... at the schoolhouse gate."

I like this quote. And I love how after that quote (in the article) it shows how the Supreme Court had been getting more and more lenient on what schools are allowed to do to uphold what the administration thinks is right to keep some sort of order.
Admittedly, some of it is possibly needed too. But *this*? When did they think that they had any right to do that to a 13 year old girl?

One last thing about this article (sorry all for the large post lol...):

I love how the school then opposes the ruling with the absolute gem of
School officials said the court was "wholly uninformed about a disturbing new trend" -- the abuse of over-the-counter medication by teenagers.

... Go die in your arrogance, Admin of the Safford School District...

 

[Gruthar]

Tucson (which is already a political extremists haven, and also a place no one realistically enjoys staying), this is becoming less and less surprising the more I read.

Hey, now, that's my hometown you're raggin' on, and I liked it there better than Phoenix! Except for the roads and traffic, maybe, those do blow. I blame snowbirds. And Californian immigrants. That's where most the far left comes from, incidentally.


Back on topic, I read about the case locally. I don't think the school had cause to search the girl. The girl who originally got busted with the pills claimed she got them from the girl who got searched, but none of the school administrators bothered to corroborate the story with any of the other students prior to searching. They pretty much assumed her guilt, despite her being an Honor Roll student. The strip search, by the way, was done by the school nurse (female), with an administrator watching (who was male, I think.)

IMO, I recognize the need for a search when a kid shows up with a controlled substance, harmless or not. But I think the search and investigation is perhaps best left to law enforcement, and not school officials - I agree with Trigger's post. Regardless of what the Supreme Court decides, the school acted rashly, and should be held accountable as such.

Also, consider that AZ ranks near the bottom in education, if not last. Keep that in mind when you judge the decisions and competency of our educational administrators.

 

[Pimppeter2]

I love how the school then opposes the ruling with the absolute gem of
School officials said the court was "wholly uninformed about a disturbing new trend" -- the abuse of over-the-counter medication by teenagers.

... Go die in your arrogance, Admin of the Safford School District...

Win..

Seriously, is it even possible to do that, yea with cough syrup, not 1 fukn pill

 

[Del-Toro]

Motrin is basically advil, which leads to the next point...

Advil? They did a strip search because they thought she had ADVIL!? It wasn't meth or coke or anything like that, it was an over the counter pain killer, unbelievable.

 

[jebussaves88]

Wow, someone really needs a bollocking at that school. That's mental.

 

[dragonburner]

If you watched the video they asked the girl if she had the pills. She denied and they assumed she lied. See that is procedure in investigations because she has a reason to lie. Now next would be a search. They searched her bag and found nothing. Now what is next. History tells us that we can hide things on our person. So they searched her. Why not the police you ask? Would she rather have the female school nurse check her or a large hairy policeman?

.........Apparently you didn't read the thing I quoted for you because this is pretty irrelevant.

Also, don't assume I'm a fucktard, I'm aware that's procedure in investigations.

Female police officers exist.

I didn't assume you were a fucktard... until now. I know female police officers exist but I used my example to get a point across. What is the difference between a strip search by a nurse and a strip search by a police officer? And you mean your passage that you quoted so it came in my quote yeah I read it. Don't assume I am a fucktard.

If the parents consented to the strip search there'd be no difference.

Yea, my response to you was that quote, which was an idea that made a rushed strip search unnecessary. Your response to it was completely irrelevant.

My response would be irrelevant if it was about Pokemon. What I was responding to was the fact that their idea was nearly tit for tat what happened. Now another point. Kids are experts at hiding things from adults. In this case drugs. She could have easily disposed of the drugs if they waited. Also what would happen if they didn't consent? For all they knew another kid gets the idea drugs are ok. Hell the whole school gets that idea. Situations like this is where the phrase "Shoot first, ask questions later comes from." Also "there'd "isn't a word. As seen by spell check.

All they did was look in her bag and strip search her, that is not stoping any proplems and going too far. If you think they should be allowed to do it then this conversation will need to stop because I don't think eather of us are going to change our minds.

If thats your way of giving up then I guess I win huh. Thats twice I have forced someone to give up to my will. Honestly I don't see how horrible a standard strip search is. They didn't rape her! Go to Darfur and tell me what happened to her is bad.

 

[Knight Templar]

If you watched the video they asked the girl if she had the pills. She denied and they assumed she lied. See that is procedure in investigations because she has a reason to lie. Now next would be a search. They searched her bag and found nothing. Now what is next. History tells us that we can hide things on our person. So they searched her. Why not the police you ask? Would she rather have the female school nurse check her or a large hairy policeman?

.........Apparently you didn't read the thing I quoted for you because this is pretty irrelevant.

Also, don't assume I'm a fucktard, I'm aware that's procedure in investigations.

Female police officers exist.

I didn't assume you were a fucktard... until now. I know female police officers exist but I used my example to get a point across. What is the difference between a strip search by a nurse and a strip search by a police officer? And you mean your passage that you quoted so it came in my quote yeah I read it. Don't assume I am a fucktard.

If the parents consented to the strip search there'd be no difference.

Yea, my response to you was that quote, which was an idea that made a rushed strip search unnecessary. Your response to it was completely irrelevant.

My response would be irrelevant if it was about Pokemon. What I was responding to was the fact that their idea was nearly tit for tat what happened. Now another point. Kids are experts at hiding things from adults. In this case drugs. She could have easily disposed of the drugs if they waited. Also what would happen if they didn't consent? For all they knew another kid gets the idea drugs are ok. Hell the whole school gets that idea. Situations like this is where the phrase "Shoot first, ask questions later comes from." Also "there'd "isn't a word. As seen by spell check.

All they did was look in her bag and strip search her, that is not stoping any proplems and going too far. If you think they should be allowed to do it then this conversation will need to stop because I don't think eather of us are going to change our minds.

If thats your way of giving up then I guess I win huh. Thats twice I have forced someone to give up to my will. Honestly I don't see how horrible a standard strip search is. They didn't rape her! Go to Darfur and tell me what happened to her is bad.

You "win"?

You think there needs to be a winner in a discussion? Thats kinda sad.
I still think what the school did to that girl was unjustifiable, the fact I think you are not a good person to talk to doesn't change how I see the situation.

 

[dragonburner]

If you watched the video they asked the girl if she had the pills. She denied and they assumed she lied. See that is procedure in investigations because she has a reason to lie. Now next would be a search. They searched her bag and found nothing. Now what is next. History tells us that we can hide things on our person. So they searched her. Why not the police you ask? Would she rather have the female school nurse check her or a large hairy policeman?

.........Apparently you didn't read the thing I quoted for you because this is pretty irrelevant.

Also, don't assume I'm a fucktard, I'm aware that's procedure in investigations.

Female police officers exist.

I didn't assume you were a fucktard... until now. I know female police officers exist but I used my example to get a point across. What is the difference between a strip search by a nurse and a strip search by a police officer? And you mean your passage that you quoted so it came in my quote yeah I read it. Don't assume I am a fucktard.

If the parents consented to the strip search there'd be no difference.

Yea, my response to you was that quote, which was an idea that made a rushed strip search unnecessary. Your response to it was completely irrelevant.

My response would be irrelevant if it was about Pokemon. What I was responding to was the fact that their idea was nearly tit for tat what happened. Now another point. Kids are experts at hiding things from adults. In this case drugs. She could have easily disposed of the drugs if they waited. Also what would happen if they didn't consent? For all they knew another kid gets the idea drugs are ok. Hell the whole school gets that idea. Situations like this is where the phrase "Shoot first, ask questions later comes from." Also "there'd "isn't a word. As seen by spell check.

All they did was look in her bag and strip search her, that is not stoping any proplems and going too far. If you think they should be allowed to do it then this conversation will need to stop because I don't think eather of us are going to change our minds.

If thats your way of giving up then I guess I win huh. Thats twice I have forced someone to give up to my will. Honestly I don't see how horrible a standard strip search is. They didn't rape her! Go to Darfur and tell me what happened to her is bad.

You "win"?

You think there needs to be a winner in a discussion? Thats kinda sad.
I still think what the school did to that girl was unjustifiable, the fact I think you are not a good person to talk to doesn't change how I see the situation.

I thought about making fun of you or calling you stupid in this post but I will be easy on you. Can you get a joke?

 

[Knight Templar]

If you watched the video they asked the girl if she had the pills. She denied and they assumed she lied. See that is procedure in investigations because she has a reason to lie. Now next would be a search. They searched her bag and found nothing. Now what is next. History tells us that we can hide things on our person. So they searched her. Why not the police you ask? Would she rather have the female school nurse check her or a large hairy policeman?

.........Apparently you didn't read the thing I quoted for you because this is pretty irrelevant.

Also, don't assume I'm a fucktard, I'm aware that's procedure in investigations.

Female police officers exist.

I didn't assume you were a fucktard... until now. I know female police officers exist but I used my example to get a point across. What is the difference between a strip search by a nurse and a strip search by a police officer? And you mean your passage that you quoted so it came in my quote yeah I read it. Don't assume I am a fucktard.

If the parents consented to the strip search there'd be no difference.

Yea, my response to you was that quote, which was an idea that made a rushed strip search unnecessary. Your response to it was completely irrelevant.

My response would be irrelevant if it was about Pokemon. What I was responding to was the fact that their idea was nearly tit for tat what happened. Now another point. Kids are experts at hiding things from adults. In this case drugs. She could have easily disposed of the drugs if they waited. Also what would happen if they didn't consent? For all they knew another kid gets the idea drugs are ok. Hell the whole school gets that idea. Situations like this is where the phrase "Shoot first, ask questions later comes from." Also "there'd "isn't a word. As seen by spell check.

All they did was look in her bag and strip search her, that is not stoping any proplems and going too far. If you think they should be allowed to do it then this conversation will need to stop because I don't think eather of us are going to change our minds.

If thats your way of giving up then I guess I win huh. Thats twice I have forced someone to give up to my will. Honestly I don't see how horrible a standard strip search is. They didn't rape her! Go to Darfur and tell me what happened to her is bad.

You "win"?

You think there needs to be a winner in a discussion? Thats kinda sad.
I still think what the school did to that girl was unjustifiable, the fact I think you are not a good person to talk to doesn't change how I see the situation.

I thought about making fun of you or calling you stupid in this post but I will be easy on you. Can you get a joke?

What "joke", you were being an arse. So please point out this joke, and don't call me stupid.

EDIT: If the "I win" part was the joke, remember: the internet doesn't convay the emotion of what you are saying. So if you say everything up untill and after as stright then people will think the single non-serious part is serious.

 

[SimuLord]

Won't somebody please think of the children?!

If I had my way anyone who said that in regards to any question of public policy and law would be stripped of their citizenship and, if they held public office, stripped of it as well. They'd be given the same legal status as illegal aliens, only without worrying about deportation (not just because they wouldn't have a country of citizenship but because no country in its right mind would want them.)

 

[dragonburner]

If you watched the video they asked the girl if she had the pills. She denied and they assumed she lied. See that is procedure in investigations because she has a reason to lie. Now next would be a search. They searched her bag and found nothing. Now what is next. History tells us that we can hide things on our person. So they searched her. Why not the police you ask? Would she rather have the female school nurse check her or a large hairy policeman?

.........Apparently you didn't read the thing I quoted for you because this is pretty irrelevant.

Also, don't assume I'm a fucktard, I'm aware that's procedure in investigations.

Female police officers exist.

I didn't assume you were a fucktard... until now. I know female police officers exist but I used my example to get a point across. What is the difference between a strip search by a nurse and a strip search by a police officer? And you mean your passage that you quoted so it came in my quote yeah I read it. Don't assume I am a fucktard.

If the parents consented to the strip search there'd be no difference.

Yea, my response to you was that quote, which was an idea that made a rushed strip search unnecessary. Your response to it was completely irrelevant.

My response would be irrelevant if it was about Pokemon. What I was responding to was the fact that their idea was nearly tit for tat what happened. Now another point. Kids are experts at hiding things from adults. In this case drugs. She could have easily disposed of the drugs if they waited. Also what would happen if they didn't consent? For all they knew another kid gets the idea drugs are ok. Hell the whole school gets that idea. Situations like this is where the phrase "Shoot first, ask questions later comes from." Also "there'd "isn't a word. As seen by spell check.

All they did was look in her bag and strip search her, that is not stoping any proplems and going too far. If you think they should be allowed to do it then this conversation will need to stop because I don't think eather of us are going to change our minds.

If thats your way of giving up then I guess I win huh. Thats twice I have forced someone to give up to my will. Honestly I don't see how horrible a standard strip search is. They didn't rape her! Go to Darfur and tell me what happened to her is bad.

You "win"?

You think there needs to be a winner in a discussion? Thats kinda sad.
I still think what the school did to that girl was unjustifiable, the fact I think you are not a good person to talk to doesn't change how I see the situation.

I thought about making fun of you or calling you stupid in this post but I will be easy on you. Can you get a joke?

What "joke", you were being an arse. So please point out this joke, and don't call me stupid.

EDIT: If the "I win" part was the joke, remember: the internet doesn't convay the emotion of what you are saying. So if you say everything up untill and after as stright then people will think the single non-serious part is serious.

I win was sarcastic but sorry if you couldn't use your brain to figure it out.

 

[twistedshadows]

Strip searching that girl was a complete violation of her rights, and her parents should have been contacted before any action was taken. I'm originally from Arizona. The schools I went to could suspend and even expel kids for having any sort of medication (including Tylenol and Ibuprofen) in their possession. I remember friends getting in trouble for having prescription medications from doctors for specific ailments, until the matter was cleared up with their parents and doctors. I'm not sure if this is the case all over the US, but I'm sadly not very surprised that schools (in that area, at least) have become so extreme.

 

[Demon_Zeya]

That is utterly and completely disgusting, and is not worth the trouble for PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. I'm not even bothering to listen more than a minute. It's just sick, and tells us a lot about paranoia in this damn country.

 

[wwjdftw]

So, This is how the school thinks it works.

Step 1: Violate 4th amendment of a 13 year old girl over a drug that you would need 500-600 grams to die from an overdose of.

Step 2: Don't follow up the case of the girl who had the drugs, in fact don't punish her or even bring her into question.

Step 3: Claim it under some bullshit.

Step 4: ???

Step 5: Lul wut?

Step 6: Profit!

wwjdftw:
oh and mind you, how big was the bottle ACTUALLY, it takes a HELL of alot of ibeprofine to OD on it if you have a small bottle of it , even full its not enough to really od, you would need enough to fill up aobut 3 coffe cups, and be downing it pretty fast to OD bad enough to kill your self. WHY anyone would be that determined anyways would find a better way to kill htemselves at school.

It was medium strength, how much does it take to O.D. on mid-strength?

i dont know it would take the same amount as low strength just fewer pills it would still take a shit load of it.

AND as other people have stated this would be the chain of events.

*kid walks into doctors office*
"doc i dont feel to good"
"what are your sympotms"
"stomache ache and i feel dizzy"
"well what have you done latley"
"well i had some pizza i downed a gombo milkjug of ibeprofine from samsclub and i sat around"
"lul wat?"..." you down ed a WHOLE BOTTLE?"
"yeh is that bad?"
"NURSE!!!"
"yes doctor?"
"get me some activated charcole a knife and some string"
"uh what that for"
"laydown on the bed"
"wha, wha, why?"
"LAY DOWN NOW!"
*lays down*
*gets straped down*
*nurse come in with the stuff*
"ok lets do this"

hours later kid feels like a total jack ass.