Editor's Note: La Luna

Susan Arendt

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La Luna

Hold on to something, because I'm going to hit you with a revelation. Information so startling, so astounding, that you may want to stop reading if you suffer from any kind of heart condition. Are you ready? Are you sure? Ok, here goes:

Girls like videogames. They make them, they write about them, and above all, they play them.

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Eagle Est1986

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Oh, it all makes sense now, I was wondering why The Escapist smelt so nice this week, it's because it's a girl issue. Yet to see a rainbow or a unicorn yet though, which means that it's still safe to show my face around these parts.
Anyway, sounds like an interesting issue, looking forward to giving it a good ol' read.
 

Roxianna

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This unicorn mounted, barbie dolled-up, chain main bikini clad, warrior princess approves this blog post. I agree that "girls" are rare at the usual gamer watering holes. The one's who are vociferous parts of gamer communities are no longer girls either but women over 30 in my experience.
 

sammyfreak

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Perhaps this is just a pointless nitpick, but isen't Venus and not the Moon the heavenly sphere most commonly associated with femininity?

Great issue anyway!
 

Dom Camus

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I'm looking forward to the week when the Escapist is inspired by Brenda Braithwaite's example [http://www.gamecareerguide.com/features/587/oped_women_in_games_who_.php?cid=GCG_MARK_082008] and does a "Men in Gaming" issue.

sammyfreak post=6.70327.688600 said:
Perhaps this is just a pointless nitpick, but isn't Venus and not the Moon the heavenly sphere most commonly associated with femininity?
<insert crass "two heavenly spheres" joke here>
 

Russ Pitts

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Perhaps this is just a pointless nitpick, but isen't Venus and not the Moon the heavenly sphere most commonly associated with femininity?
Pointless and dead wrong. The moon has long been associated with femininity in no small part due to the effect of it's gravitational cycle on various unmentionable things.

But the reference in the title of this week's issue is to the moon as the feminine opposite to the masculine sun, i.e. "El sol y la luna," which also happens to also be the name of my favorite Mexican restaurant in Austin.

So it's a multi-cultural, food-inspired thing.
 

sammyfreak

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Russ Pitts post=6.70327.688672 said:
Perhaps this is just a pointless nitpick, but isen't Venus and not the Moon the heavenly sphere most commonly associated with femininity?
Pointless and dead wrong. The moon has long been associated with femininity in no small part due to the effect of it's gravitational cycle on various unmentionable things.

But the reference in the title of this week's issue is to the moon as the feminine opposite to the masculine sun, i.e. "El sol y la luna," which also happens to also be the name of my favorite Mexican restaurant in Austin.

So it's a multi-cultural, food-inspired thing.
Well I like Mexican food so I guess I'll run with it.

Tacos all around people!
 

Lvl 64 Klutz

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Please don't take this as anything against this issue, it's a very good issue, but...

We get it. Girls play games, girls like games, girls don't just play Cooking Mama and Barbie's Latest Adventure. Those who aren't insecure about their masculinity accept it and those who are never will. When will this game-journalism fad of talking about it end?
 

Susan Arendt

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Lvl 64 Klutz post=6.70327.688695 said:
Please don't take this as anything against this issue, it's a very good issue, but...

We get it. Girls play games, girls like games, girls don't just play Cooking Mama and Barbie's Latest Adventure. Those who aren't insecure about their masculinity accept it and those who are never will. When will this game-journalism fad of talking about it end?
That's pretty much our point. Take "Playing Mommy," for example. That's a uniquely feminine perspective on playing games that isn't about proving that women play, or are better than men. With this issue, we're trying to convey that you can talk about females in gaming without covering the same old tired ground.
 

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All that said, I'd still wager that there are nowhere near as many girls that play games as guys, and I think that is why there are still those that are amazed when they encounter a girl gamer - they just haven't encountered it before is all. I know about as many guys as I do girls, yet in my social circle I only know two girls that play (and that's just WoW) compared to a lot of guys. It stands to reason that some circles of friends will have no girls that play.

Just out of curiosity, is there a rough estimate on what the current ratio of male to female gamers is in the world?
 

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Thirtysomething post=6.70327.688786 said:
All that said, I'd still wager that there are nowhere near as many girls that play games as guys, and I think that is why there are still those that are amazed when they encounter a girl gamer - they just haven't encountered it before is all. I know about as many guys as I do girls, yet in my social circle I only know two girls that play (and that's just WoW) compared to a lot of guys. It stands to reason that some circles of friends will have no girls that play.

Just out of curiosity, is there a rough estimate on what the current ratio of male to female gamers is in the world?
It can be anything between 30-45% depending on country and study, bur those studies tend to include people who play solitate once a week as gamers, or so I hear.
 

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Susan Arendt post=6.70327.688216 said:
Girls like videogames. They make them, they write about them, and above all, they play them.
Lies! Secrets and lies!
 

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Girls would be even more into gaming if parents and society in general would stop assigning artificial gender roles to kids. I'm bringing up a girl myself and I'm amazed and appalled at the amount of gender stereotyping that bombards us - and that a lot of parents accept, perpetuate and pass on to their kids - thus creating social stigma for any girl who doesn't toe the accepted gender-role line.

For example: ever notice the bright and/or pink girls vs. dark and/or blue boys sections in kids clothing stores? Ever ask yourself why girls clothes can't be dark and/or blue - I mean surely dark and blue are not naturally masculine. Ever notice the difficulty of finding girls' shoes that are built for climbing on jungle gyms? I often find myself buying boy's shoes for my daughter just because the girl's shoes are too flimsy. Similarly, most girls' clothes and shoes are too light in colour for active use (so they show the dirt more than boy's clothes do).

My daughter loves dinosaurs, but the reaction of parents and store workers to this is telling: "A girl who likes dinosaurs?" they ask, incredulously, as if somehow dinosaurs should a boy's natural domain, and as if a girl who likes dinosaurs is somehow a freak. Similarly, she plays with Buzz Lightyear, toy cars and with Nerf guns. Why these should be considered 'boys' toys is beyond me - I mean what such toys have to do with penises, and why the vaginally-equipped should not enjoy them, is a mystery to me.

And it's not that I'm bringing her up to be a 'Tomboy' - she also has dolls, tea sets, teddy bears and Barbie. I believe in bringing kids up with toys that are interesting: whether they are seen as stereotypically masculine or feminine is beside the point.

The societal gender prejudice is not some vast conspiracy - it's just how things have been done for centuries, and most people are not bright enough to look at the issue with any objectivity or critical judgement. Girls are just mindlessly shoe-horned into the stereotypes from a very young age, and one of these stereotypes is that they don't play video games. There's no reason behind it - it's just a stupid tradition that few people ever think to question.
 

zoozilla

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Girls? Playing videogames?

Next you're going to tell me that computers can display 3D graphics in real-time.
 

mshcherbatskaya

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I would like to see some inquiries into why guys who don't game, don't game. I suspect it's pretty much the same thing - the stereotype and the "I have more important, i.e. Real Life things to do" reactions.

I loved the "gaming my way through labor" article.
 

Higurashi

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Mm, I was thinking the same thing as mshcherbatskaya (wrote it without copy/pasting!). Would be interesting to see if anyone has any philosophies and/or principles against it apart from just that.
Heh, I am not chocked in the least, but I enjoy the fact getting attention, and love the theme for this week, just like I love gamer girls. ^_^
 

Joeshie

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I think this image summaries my feelings about this article:

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=538434

Or hell, how about this article:

http://www.gamecareerguide.com/features/587/oped_women_in_games_who_.php?page=2
 

jennifr

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Joeshie post=6.70327.690722 said:
I think this image summaries my feelings about this article:

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=538434
That image is awesome, thanks for the link.

It's a difficult issue, though. Whenever I think the world out there should have gotten used to women in Games and in tech in general, someone asks me whether my DS is pink and thinks that when I say I am a Software Engineer it's my description for "Interior Decorator with silky pink fabrics". As much as I am sick of the whole topic, some people apparently still need to read about it. Bear with those that need yet another repetition of the "Girls game too" mantra to (hopefully at some point) get it - not everyone is as bright as you are, guys.