The Italian Job Cliffhanger Solved

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The Italian Job Cliffhanger Solved

How could you possibly solve the gold-or-death cliffhanger at the end of the original Italian Job? With science!

At the end of the original Italian Job, the gang's six-wheeled bus teeters halfway over an Alpine cliff, the stolen gold sliding towards the rear door and oblivion. Charlie Croker's crew must decide whether to save themselves or attempt to rescue the ill-gotten gold. The crooks have an idea for how to save the loot, but the audience never finds out what the idea is or if it worked.

The Royal Society of Chemistry [http://www.rsc.org/], set the following poser back in October: How do you save Croker, his crew and the 3200 kilos of gold, assuming that the bus will plunge from the peaks 30 minutes after Croker says "Hang on a minute lads, I've got a great idea!". No cheating by using a helicopter, either.

The time limit was added due to the solution that Sir Michael Caine (who played Charlie Croker in the film) had created in 2003, where he just switched on the engine and burnt out all the fuel (taking about 4 hours), which would bump the bus forward, allowing the crew to jump to safety but losing the gold.

The solution had to be a 150-word minimum explanation, with calculations, and a diagram. And you couldn't just blow the bloody doors off.

The competition was in celebration of two anniversaries: 100 years of the Periodic Table (for the gold), and 40 years for the film. More than 2000 entrants vied for first place: a vacation in Turin, where the film was set.

The winner, John Godwin, devised a brilliant and workable solution, but sadly one that you can't really do in Crayon Physics.

First of all, you punch out the third window down with Charlie's shoes. The loss of window weight allows you to get to the front windows, push them out and lose 60 kilos of window glass overall (Cheers to Ralackk). That allows enough excess for one of the smaller crew to be lowered down and deflate the front tires, which makes the bus steadier.

The next step is to open the fuel access panel, just next to the gold, and drain out the gas, losing 140 kilos from the back floor. The extra weight loss allows for one crewman to escape the bus and bring back enough ballast to counteract another person crawling down to the gold and back again, grabbing one bar at a time.

Godwin admits, "It wouldn't be easy and I wouldn't like to steal the Mafia's gold, but it would be fun to see it done."

Of course, that does leave the problem of how the crew are gonna get the bullion back to Great Aunt Nellie, but that's for another time.

Meanwhile, if you have a better idea, please feel free to share.

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Yensid

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Someone thought this out? Wow. The damn thing even makes sense. Cool job on it.
 

DesTrine

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Umm can't someone go outside the bus and put rocks in the front cab? That shouldnt take that long.
 

HobbesMkii

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The original Italian job was a brilliant movie. Also, British folk say Mafia funny. It's sort of "Maf-fia." I've always wondered what was going to happen.
 

Lukeje

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HobbesMkii said:
The original Italian job was a brilliant movie. Also, British folk say Mafia funny. It's sort of "Maf-fia." I've always wondered what was going to happen.
You mean cockneys right? We don't all talk like that.
 

Zer_

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You know I actually liked both the original and the remake. I found this rather amusing.
 

TsunamiWombat

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... So why can't I call for a helicoptor again? I got a van full of gold bullion, i'm sure someone would be willing to help out for a few bars.
 

Anton P. Nym

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TsunamiWombat said:
... So why can't I call for a helicoptor again? I got a van full of gold bullion, i'm sure someone would be willing to help out for a few bars.
It's 1969, so cell phones don't exist yet, and you can't leave the bus without losing the gold over the edge, so you can't run several miles/kilometers along the alpine highway to find a telephone.

That's why you can't call for a helicopter.

-- Steve
 
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Anton P. Nym said:
TsunamiWombat said:
... So why can't I call for a helicoptor again? I got a van full of gold bullion, i'm sure someone would be willing to help out for a few bars.
It's 1969, so cell phones don't exist yet, and you can't leave the bus without losing the gold over the edge, so you can't run several miles/kilometers along the alpine highway to find a telephone.

That's why you can't call for a helicopter.

-- Steve
You're also on the run from the Italian Police/Mafia, in the Alpine peaks just near the border.

And it's cheating.

The runner up, btw, wanted to use the fuel to melt the tires to the road...which I think might have a few other problems.
 

Ralackk

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I don't get the guys solution, how would smashing out 60 kilos of glass from the front end of the bus help at all?
 
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Ralackk said:
I don't get the guys solution, how would smashing out 60 kilos of glass from the front end of the bus help at all?
Ah, little misunderstanding there. The back windows are first burst to lose the weight(as Charlie can reach them) and then the front windows go to allow the tire deflation. I'll amend it so it's more logical.
 

Samexf

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Just a point of interest, on the video release of the Italian Job, in the special features played after the movie there is an commentary going over how they made the film, and the possibility for a sequel. It also happens to tell you that the writers idea was to have helicopter (gasp) flown by the mafia retrieve the gold, but leave Charlie & Co alive - leaving off for the sequel where they were supposed to get it back.

Oh, do not mention the hollywood remake, if it was up to me, every single copy would be destroyed... it ruined the name of a great British classic.
 
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The Rogue Wolf said:
I'm a little lost on how the impact caused by knocking a (presumably well-anchored) window out of one of the doors doesn't send the bus off the cliff.
All I know is that Godwin actually visited a place that still had a 1964 Bedford VAL14, the bus used, and found out about the fuel, window weight etc.

Like he says, it's not easy.