U.K. Parliament "Debates" Modern Warfare 2

Andy Chalk

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U.K. Parliament "Debates" Modern Warfare 2


U.K. Member of Parliament Keith Vaz followed through on his promise to bring up Modern Warfare 2 [http://modernwarfare2.infinityward.com/] for discussion but was challenged by another MP who pointed out that Vaz's strident outburst was little more than unfounded fear-mongering.

Vaz, an outspoken videogame critic, said he was "absolutely shocked [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/95985-Shocking-Modern-Warfare-2-to-be-Raised-in-U-K-Parliament]" by the realistic violence in Modern Warfare 2 and intended to ask about the game, and videogames in general, in Parliament. True to his word, he brought the game up in a question to Sion Simon, the Minister of Culture, Media and Sport, saying, "It contains such scenes of brutality that even the manufacturers have put in warnings within the game telling people how they can skip particular scenes."

"Given the recommendations of the Byron Review [http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/byronreview/], specifically paragraphs 32 and 33, what steps is the government proposing to take in order to ensure these violent games do not fall into the hands of children and young people?" Vaz asked. "It's not about censorship, it's about protecting our children."

Simon pointed out that the "clearest recommendation" of the Byron Review is that games unsuitable for children should be labeled as such and only sold to adults - which is already being done. "This game the honorable gentleman refers to is a certificate 18 game, it should not be sold to children and the government's job is to make sure that adults, clearly labeled, can get what adults should be able to, and that children are not in danger of being subjected to adult content," he said.

Tom Watson, meanwhile, another Member from Vaz's own Labour Party, took the opportunity to express his support for the videogame industry and criticized Vaz for his comments. "I've seen the content in this videogame, it is unpleasant, though no worse than in many films and books, it is an 18-plus game and carries the Daily Mail [http://www.bbfc.co.uk/] to create moral panic over the use of videogames?"

Watson has also created a Facebook group, BBC [http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=189974734041] says will "coordinate responses to articles in the media which, gamers claim, do not give a fair view of their hobby."

Source: Eurogamer [http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/violent-mw2-discussed-in-parliament]


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Malygris said:
"Does the Minister agree that it would be better for this House to support the many thousands of games designers and coders and the many millions of games users, rather than collaborating with the Daily Mail [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1225926/New-game-lets-players-kill-civilians-terror-attacks.html] to create moral panic over the use of videogames?"
BOOM...Headshot!

I'd be right in line to join the group if it didn't mean the evils of Bookface.
 

Psychophante

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Ha ha, can't believe they're talking about MW2 in parliament!
Well done Tom Watson.... Headshot!
 

Jharry5

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They already do label the game quite clearly. I still get ID'd everytime I try to get an 18 rated game (don't worry though, I am actually 19 so it's all good ;) ).
What else would this MP suggest they do to make sure these games don't corrupt the kids (who the game isn't even aimed at...?)
 

Neonbob

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Oh...my...lord.
There is a politician who actually supports games?!
THANK YOU JESUS!
I love that man so much.
Can we Americans clone him and have a copy? You know, just to know what it feels like for a while?
 

Dudeakoff

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Goes to show that the Labour party isn't made up of Vaz and people who agree with him as people in the other thread seemed to think.

I'm not a Labour supporter, I just hate the generalisation that 1 MP's opinion = the whole party's view.
 

GundamSentinel

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Ya, so useless. Dutch politicians are talking about it as well. Why censor something now that GTA has been doing for years and lots worse?
 

Ancientgamer

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I already like this Watson fellow.

Also:
"It's not about censorship, it's about protecting our children."
Is he trying to imply the two are mutually exclusive?

That's not even clever doubletalk, that's just stupid.
 

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Malygris said:
Tom Watson, another Member from Vaz's own Labour Party, took the opportunity to express his support for the videogame industry and criticized Vaz for his comments. "I've seen the content in this videogame, it is unpleasant, though no worse than in many films and books, it is an 18-plus game and carries the Daily Mail [http://www.bbfc.co.uk/] to create moral panic over the use of videogames?"
Thank god for this man! Really. If I meet him in real life, I'll hug him..........[small]maybe[/small]..........

Overall, hearing this news has really restored my faith in the U.K. Nice to see that there are a few level-headed people in politics.
 

thenumberthirteen

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I love my country. Would this happen in the USA?

At least this is one advantage to having a ratings system enforced by law.
 
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Jharry5 said:
What else would this MP suggest they do to make sure these games don't corrupt the kids (who the game isn't even aimed at...?
Let's see what I can truthfully say about Keith Vaz, given that the most used term in google found next to him is "corruption".

He tried to ban The Satanic Verses because "there is no such thing as absolute freedom of speech".
He suggested that an IRA bomb detonated at Leicester Army Recruiting Office might have been planted by the British army.
He's been investigated after receiving undeclared money from a solicitor. The solicitor was later sponsored for peerage by Mr. Vaz.
A set of brothers who donated money to Mr. Vaz found their citizenship took remarkably less time to process.
He was suspended from the Houses of Commons after making a false allegation against a former policewoman working as a nanny.
He is alleged to have helped a billionaire escape justice in the French courts.
He has been criticized for the use of the word "prick" in Parliament as an term to one of the Opposition.
He changed his mind very suddenly on the 42 day vote after being "rewarded".
He's been elected to Chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee, bypassing the usual route needed for anyone to receive this honour.
In this "independent role" from the Government, he has pushed Government ideas on at least two known decisions.
And then there's the money:
Vaz claimed £75,000 in expenses for a second home just 12 miles from his main home. His main home is declared to be in the North-west London suburb of Stanmore, and was purchased with his wife Maria for £1.15 million in 2005, and is around 40 minutes from Westminister by Tube, raising questions as to whether billing for a second home (a £545,000 Westminster flat) was essential for his work as an MP. He also flipped property: claiming for the Westminster flat's service charge and council tax (£2,073, and £1,022), then renting this flat out, switching his second home to a house in his Leicester East constituency, fitting it with around £16,000 of furniture and soft furnishings, as well as £600 month of un-receipted cleaning, service, and repair bills, then flipping back to the Westminster flat again, allowing mortgage interest to be claimed on the flat once more.
None of this has been repaid, and he has not been charged with this.

He's also ran the attacks on Manhunt (Where the victim was the player), Manhunt 2, Bully, Rapeplay and now this...

America, meet our Jack Thompson.
 

Jared

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Psychophante said:
Ha ha, can't believe they're talking about MW2 in parliament!
Well done Tom Watson.... Headshot!
Agreed! Vaz is one of those Ego-centrics who can't see past his own foggy version of life to actually appreciate the work thats gone into a game. I mean, MW2 has warnings inside and outside, its not lacking of informing the player, so, in all essense he can go shovel it XD