Are we saying that stealing is ok if you have no money? if i blow all my money then i'm allowed yours too?beddo said:
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Well, intelligent discussion on piracy without screaming and brimstones... now I've seen everything...
Usually, I'm the one to make a stand against copyright laws, but it seems it has all been said. Awesome.
Someday, a time will come when there will be no copyright, and people can freely distribute stuff among themselves. When no big company will reap the rewards of your work and condemn everyone else to servitude. Where the notions of right and wrong won't really have a meaning because there will be equality.
But that time is far in the future, sadly. Until then, I steal stuff from the internet.
Usually, I'm the one to make a stand against copyright laws, but it seems it has all been said. Awesome.
Someday, a time will come when there will be no copyright, and people can freely distribute stuff among themselves. When no big company will reap the rewards of your work and condemn everyone else to servitude. Where the notions of right and wrong won't really have a meaning because there will be equality.
But that time is far in the future, sadly. Until then, I steal stuff from the internet.
I think that really depends on the circumstances.12th_milkshake said:
Though personal morality is hugely important we all need to step back and look at the bigger picture; the small things we do that collectively have a serious negative impact.
You could argue that numerous jobs would not exist without these companies but that is inaccurate and has no moral standing.
It is not morally acceptable to earn money from harm to other people, this is why modern societies have banned many horrific activities, though many remain in practice illegally.
There is no reason companies can't operate ethically, in fact doing so would lessen the risk of corporations offering bribes to corrupt governments which would create more competition and more jobs.
I'm talking about all the ones featured on the site now. All there. I have told Russ but noting appears to have been doneinsanelich said:
And you can go on about why are you concerned about X when Y is happening till them cows come home. And if you read my original post i wasn't concerned. i think it had to happen. And 'shock horror' this thread was about DLs not Cola that is why we are talking about it?beddo said:
but ok lets talk about the 'Bigger Picture' people by nature are lazy and will take short cuts when they can. For example every time you use a tesco bag you do harm. Use a bus you cause CO2. Turn on the tap you are doing harm. Every second you use that monitor you are looking at you are cause harm to this planet. We could take a canvas bag to tesco, we could walk instead of use transport, we could not wash, we could not use Computers. We know all this but we still do it. There are no 'moral standings' that anyone can stand on. every one is guilty of something.
So your morale stance seems a little pointless. Nothing will change even if nike didn't exist and cola was ran by friendly pygmy hippos.
It'd be easier to accept that kind of socio-comunist philosphy if I actually lived in a socio-coimmunist state, but I don't. I didn't have enough money to buy a game because I'd decided to take a year off from working to write a few plays. After I went back to work HOLY CRAP! I suddenly had money again. Strange how that works.beddo said:
Don't look now, but I think you discovered the point of my article
All I got to say is, if the talent that one "steals" from could put more than one song on a album that isn't otherwise completely trash then there would be more people buying the music and not stealing. I've not bought anything new in the music world since 99 when I was in college, why? There was one good song on the CD's that were demanding $15+ for a single disk album. To hades with that, time to start buying the single songs online at places like ITunes, big business, stop your whining and your chains and shackles control over a music group's music rights and let them start producing music they WANT to, not what YOU want them to.
Otherwise, you as the music industry will die.
Pantherman
Otherwise, you as the music industry will die.
Pantherman
Hmmm, every DVD i fire up has this big fingerpointing exercise in it. About stealing is a CRIME.
How it makes you a CRIMINAL.
etc.
Funny how conveniently that all the music sellers forget about the numerous price fixing CRIMES they have been CONVICTED of. Doesn't that make them CRIMINAL organisations?
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2002-09-30-cd-settlement_x.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2289224.stm
No, it doesn't mean i would be out there doing GTA stuff just cos others do, but I do believe the above campaign is the pot calling the kettle black.
NB: I download what I consider "samples" or "demos". The good stuff I buy. Mostly so that I can encourage more good stuff! And it's also the most effective arguement against all my buddies in HK!
How it makes you a CRIMINAL.
etc.
Funny how conveniently that all the music sellers forget about the numerous price fixing CRIMES they have been CONVICTED of. Doesn't that make them CRIMINAL organisations?
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2002-09-30-cd-settlement_x.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2289224.stm
No, it doesn't mean i would be out there doing GTA stuff just cos others do, but I do believe the above campaign is the pot calling the kettle black.
NB: I download what I consider "samples" or "demos". The good stuff I buy. Mostly so that I can encourage more good stuff! And it's also the most effective arguement against all my buddies in HK!