Even if you're low risk with Covid-19 your risk of dying is about 1 in 4,000-5,000 (higher if you get the Brazilian or English strain). So far the trombosis side effect of the AZ and J&J vaccine is estimated between 10,000-100,000 with most estimates being about 1 in 50,000 or lower. Dying from a vaccine sucks, but taking the vaccine is much, much safer then contracting Covid is.
When you give a vaccine to a healthy person who is very unlikely to get very sick from a covid infection then I don't think the risk of a potentially lethal side effect is acceptable when there are alternatives on the market that don't have that side effect.
At least it’s being reported and not swept under the rug, like the CDC seems to be attempting.FDA advises states to pause use of J&J Covid vaccine after rare blood-clotting issue affects 6 women, kills 1
All six cases occurred in women ages 18 to 48, with symptoms developing six to 13 days after they received the shot.www.cnbc.com
Probably not a big deal considering how exceedingly rare the issue was (and even then it doesn't sound like they know it was J&J for sure or if it was J&J if this was just a case of extreme bad luck where it only happens in a handful of very specific cases) but they may halt the J&J shots for the time being and just what we need for the anti-vaxxing dum dums to scream about how they were right all along so no one should ever get vaccines for anything...
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The CDC's intent is most likely to acquire herd immunity at the quickest possible opportunity so a 1 in 50-100k casualty rate is most likely acceptable to them. But looking at it objectively you give these adenovirus vaccines to someone who is healthy with very low risk of complications from a covid infection. So the criteria of 'rare side effect' shouldn't be the same as, say, a medication for a serious illness. Espescially not when those Mrna vaccines don't have that side effect in people(espescially women) under 60.At least it’s being reported and not swept under the rug, like the CDC seems to be attempting.
CDC says no safety issues with J&J vaccine after some North Carolina providers halt vaccinations
On Thursday night, the CDC recommended that providers continue to administer the vaccine.
Wonder what they’ll say now. Look, I’m all for vaccines that have been thoroughly tested, but these COVID varieties clearly haven’t had the chance for that to happen yet, and this whole issue has unfortunately been mired in political bs which always makes things worse.
The blood clots mostly occurred in women.
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Will you please stop infecting this forum with the crankery of one-sided doctors/scientists as if it's the final word.
Pierre Kory's story in that video literally explains a scenario where doctors, including himself, were free and able to use steroids for covid-19 right from the start. Just like they were also able to hand out hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and all the other stuff that's been touted (nearly all of which doesn't work).
A huge chunk of this, I've noticed, surrounds the problem of conflating administration as a post-exposure prophylaxis or treatment regime for mild to moderate symptoms, and palliative care for ARDS. I've noted more than a few studies that have gotten lost in the ruckus noting positive outcomes of the hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin or doxycyline regime for patients suffering ARDS, but that's because it's an immunosuppressive regime and the patients were suffering from cytokine release syndrome.
Oh dear god. Please don't open that up again: HCQ is a bust, whether early or late. There are some supportive studies, but the best quality ones that matter most show otherwise.
And you have proof that Kory's opinion is not the truth? Your opinion (not a fact) is that his opinion is not the truth. You act like you know the truth and no one else does.
The worst aspect of it all was that all these proposed treatments have basically no risk to them, we have decades of data on their safety. Why shit on doctors for using them until you have definitive evidence that they in fact don't work (which we still don't have)? If I'm a patient, I want to be treated by what the doctor feels is the best course of action or what they've (and there colleagues) had the best results with when you have a new disease like this and we don't have decades of research to have definitive answers yet. We don't have definitive proof masks work, but you do it because it's better safe than sorry.
The problem with statements like this are, while yes in the big picture you're correct, you're not addressing counter-arguments in a way that will prove effective. That's part of the root of how and why deeply-polarized issues never reach a point of advancement or resolution. "Some supportive studies" -- yes, that's why I said what I did. And, trying to minimize them isn't making them going away. At the end of the day, there are still studies that show these positive outcomes.
Dude. This thread is 68 pages long and I wouldn't be surprised if half of them are me explaining the science of HCQ and covid-19. You are welcome to peruse at your leisure. It doesn't work.
On the one hand, Kory is supporting a treatment (steroids) that has adequately proven efficacy. On the other hand he is aggressively advocating a treatment that doesn't. A treatment that by his own words he has called a "wonder drug", despite having plainly inadequate evidence. He has, on one of the grandest stages imaginable, manifestly made claims he cannot defend. That is tackling his argument. Just to be clear here, one of his primary co-authors has written an article where he reviews ivermectin and cites debunked papers, which is not a sign of quality. His attack on the RECOVERY trial is basically bullshit. He's essentially complaining it is not an optimised treatment plan, but it never was an attempt to generate an optimised treatment plan. It was about measuring the basics of drug efficacy.
Well, here's the thing: Kory's colleagues at his institution didn't agree with him - at least on ivermectin. Therefore he fails even by the standards you claim.
It means your meta-commentary is trying to sound wise, but is really just lacking experience.
Last year I was diagnosed with a condition in my hands called Trigger Finger. When I was talking to my doctor about possible treatments, he mentioned having steriod injections into my hands. He wasn't keen on doing that because not only was it insanely painful, but steroids weaken the immune system and it was not a good idea in the middle of a pandemic. So that is probably why doctors aren't using steroids to treat Covid 19.
