205: Missionaries of the Digital Age

[R.O.]

Look games aren't for lames. If you are a lame, just don't play. If you know your child is crazy and is going to kill someone, then don't allow him or her to play games. Lock em up. Or just don't have kids and enjoy games, that's what I say.

 

[Flytch]

"Misused and blighted as the term is these days, we are Crusaders.'

Ahem, a Crusade is a holy war, so they are preaching war against us atheists and agnostics?


Ignorance is rife it seems.

Yes, ignorance is rife in many places, in this case your own comments being chief among them. That type of comment is exactly what Kaddy Lynn was referring to during the interview.

cru·sad'er n.
[ul][li]a disputant who advocates reform[/li]
[li]a warrior who engages in a holy war[/li][/ul]

cru·sade n.
[ul][li]often Crusade Any of the military expeditions undertaken by European Christians in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims.[/li]
[li] A holy war undertaken with papal sanction.[/li]
[li] A vigorous concerted movement for a cause or against an abuse.[/li][/ul]

Now, you may end up crying "nickpicking" at this argument, but the truth is that "crusader" actually does have a meaning besides someone that kills people in the name of a religion. Going off of the two definitions that I bolded above a crusader can technically be any person advocating some type of reform for any kind of cause. This can include anyone from civil rights activists, political reformers and lobbyists, activists, volunteers for charity and goodwill organizations and yes, even your run-of-the-mill religious follower just willing to spread their beliefs. Hell, by that definition members of PETA are technically crusaders.

Also on that note any type of foundation, organization or activist movement can be dubbed a "crusade" because it is a group of people with like minded beliefs pushing for some kind of change in their given cause. Sure, the Crusades into the Holy Lands fall under this definition because everyone involved was working towards the singular goal of capturing the aforementioned Holy Land, but the Civil Rights Movement in the 50' and 60' was also a crusade because it's member's combined goal was to get equal rights for African-Americans.

I kindly suggest that before you cry "ignorance" as someone else's beliefs that you look and examine your own first before you bother to voice them.

~Van

The term was first used to describe a holy WAR against the percieved infidels of the holy land, the repercussions of which are still being felt as our troops die in the East.

The word literally means 'going to the cross' and if you want a recent example, try when Bush referred to the war in Iraq as a crusade and retracted it after understanding the connotations. http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0919/p12s2-woeu.html

 

[Gosh Josh]

Hello everyone my name is Josh founder and leader of the [FoC] Followers Of Christ alliance and ministry. I don't really want to add on to any comments that have been stated on this thread. I believe the article, being written from a player who was not a member of our guild, was executed fairly and excellently. I just wanted to open up myself to be more available to those of this website via other means. If you want more information please view our wiki page at:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild:Followers_O_F_Christ#Followers_O_F_Christ_.5BFoC.5D

Feel free to contact me on any of the listed services at any time for any reason, as long as you are reasonable.

I also wanted to just give a personal thanks to the author for this ministry tool and hope your future articles go well.

The only thing I will post on here about the article is in support of Kaddy and this whole "spitting" ordeal. It seems many of you here find that statement to be an overstatement. I think not. Think how many of the people who have posted on this thread have just spit on Jesus right now that don't even follow Him. That is clearly their choice, just pointing out that Kaddy should not be spit upon herself for making a comment that is clearly true according to the Bible. It didn't have to even be about recruiting. She could have said that Jesus is the way, truth, and life and that no one comes to the Father but through Him and for anyone to not to believe so as a Christian would be like spitting on Jesus. If you need anything please contact me. God bless, Josh.

 

[vilani]

Basically, what I'm trying (and kind of failing) to get at here is that everyone is different, and thus everyone should be allowed to define their own moral code.

Define their own morale code? OK so pedophiles will define their own morale code and rape children. According to your system that's OK. All law is morality. When we make laws against murder we impose our morality on the murderer (or for abortion we impose morality on the anti-abortionist). You may want to rethink your stance there.

in all seriousness, and putting grammatical errors aside, they are fundies. only fundies speak in terms of absolute certainty like these people do. in the quotes you put down they say a lot of things that only fundamentalists would say, and kaddy in particular talked about genesis as though it was factual (a trait exclusive to the fundies.) They may be polite fundies, but the fact that they claim to know instead of believe makes them arrogant fundies, the exact kind of fundy that always tempts me to punch them in the face.

It sounds like you speak in absolute certainties yourself. Can I punch you in the face? In all seriousness.

Funny how people argue that Christians are generally evil because they don't tolerate other beliefs. The irony is astounding.

Yes, the tyranny of tolerance.

I disbelieve god, sure. I'm fairly certain that there isn't a god, because the evidence is stacked so heavily against it. But I'm not an arrogant dick. I realize I don't know everythign for certain, and I openly acknowledge that there's a chance I could be wrong. People like these "missionaries" claim to know. They "know" absolutely that they are right, and nothing will ever prove them wrong. The fact of the matter is that they can't possibly know that. it's not feasible to be able to say for certain that there is or isn't a god. It takes a special kind of arrogance to claim knowledge that you cannot possibly posess, and I don't like people who are that overwhelmingly arrogant.

I can't say if your arrogant but you certainly have acted the dick on this thread. Its just as easy to argue that the evidence is stacked for the God of the Bible. The difference isn't evidence but framework.

Feel free to message me if you are interested in carrying on the conversation.

 

[Galad]

While it would be a bit exaggerated to call it "evolution" it's certainly some sort of a development. I've heard of religious guilds in text-based MMOs, there are also nationality-based guilds (quite a few more) and even guilds of graphic artists. If those guilds strive for the better attitude of their members, all the better for them. The only problem I'd have with them, as an atheist, would be to get recruited personally, but that hasn't happened so far, and if it does happen, I'd be dealing reasonably with people, no insults.

 

[Alar]

I like how, in WarHammer 40k, it isn't the religion of the enemy that's forcing you to fight them (except the Chaos guys), it's your religion. Hooray for being a religious zealot in the name of the Emperor!

PURGE THE HERETIC!