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Finally, someone calls this movie out on its pandering bullshit.
That said, I didn't think it was that bad AS A MOVIE. The acting was good, the cinematography and technical aspects were great, and though the pussified story and subtext were awful, the actual screenplay was pretty good.
But I still agree.
That said, I didn't think it was that bad AS A MOVIE. The acting was good, the cinematography and technical aspects were great, and though the pussified story and subtext were awful, the actual screenplay was pretty good.
But I still agree.
Damn Bob, you really know how to hold a grudge on a movie. The Blindside came out a year ago. Few people will actually remember it in more than passing sense given a few more months. By repeatedly bashing it, you serve only to remind those that liked it that it existed and get them huffy about your criticism, thus turning a one-shot feel-good film into an experiment in martyrdom. Maybe it's time to let go?
Let's see...
Secretariat is a movie about a horse....
No, lost me already. #1 is the title - that's a god-awful word.
Secretariat is a movie about a horse....
No, lost me already. #1 is the title - that's a god-awful word.
And this is why you need to look at multiple critics. I didn't think Blindside was bad, it wasn't good, but I fail to see reasoning for the level of hate you have for it.
That and I liked The Expendables for what it was. Mindless, senseless, and cheesy action film. It had overpowered weapons, a bad plot, and Stallone trying to act. It was an '80s throwback.
That and I liked The Expendables for what it was. Mindless, senseless, and cheesy action film. It had overpowered weapons, a bad plot, and Stallone trying to act. It was an '80s throwback.
I cannot say Secretariat seems all that interesting, but a better question I think is, again, it comes down to if you made it a different way, would it have worked better?
If the movie perhaps hadn't been made by Disney (Who produce wholesome family entertainment at the extent of altering history), and say, had Paramount, or Universal Studios, ETC (Who can produce a PG-13 movie with a little more willing to "Grow a Pair" in the context that they'll tell the story with a little more willing accuracy), could it have been a picture to talk about, and not make it seem ironic?
Let's look at the Blind Side, which I'm not going to give a glowing endorsement to either, but say if that had been made by Disney: How much historically would have been embellished to make it a "Disney Movie" and less a "True Story"? Could Disney have made it and have gotten the "Nominated for Academy Award" praise?
Likewise, if Secretariat had been taken by Warner Brothers and was given a PG-13 rating, would have been a story about an Underdog horse with the subplot of a woman trying to do what she does in the picture, could it have been a better movie, knowing what actors would have been kept, what scenes that worked for you, personally, with the inclusion of some PG-13 scenes (or PG, what have you) could you have given it the positive response to it then?
I really won't see Secretariat unless it's something I HAVE to see, and currently, I'm not taking interest in Horse Movies to express concern for, just wanted to see if this "What if?" scenario would have had a different outlook on the picture.
If the movie perhaps hadn't been made by Disney (Who produce wholesome family entertainment at the extent of altering history), and say, had Paramount, or Universal Studios, ETC (Who can produce a PG-13 movie with a little more willing to "Grow a Pair" in the context that they'll tell the story with a little more willing accuracy), could it have been a picture to talk about, and not make it seem ironic?
Let's look at the Blind Side, which I'm not going to give a glowing endorsement to either, but say if that had been made by Disney: How much historically would have been embellished to make it a "Disney Movie" and less a "True Story"? Could Disney have made it and have gotten the "Nominated for Academy Award" praise?
Likewise, if Secretariat had been taken by Warner Brothers and was given a PG-13 rating, would have been a story about an Underdog horse with the subplot of a woman trying to do what she does in the picture, could it have been a better movie, knowing what actors would have been kept, what scenes that worked for you, personally, with the inclusion of some PG-13 scenes (or PG, what have you) could you have given it the positive response to it then?
I really won't see Secretariat unless it's something I HAVE to see, and currently, I'm not taking interest in Horse Movies to express concern for, just wanted to see if this "What if?" scenario would have had a different outlook on the picture.
I didn't think I'd wind up seeing this one anyway. I avoided Seabiscuit the way a blind man avoids the M25. I actually don't mind a bit of horse racing (strictly £1 pussy bets for me though), but movies about horse racing? They just turn me off right away. Especially so if there's some creepy 'adult-woman-and-horse-wish-fulfilment-fantasy' stuff going on.
Because I saw that video on the internet and I heard that she died afterwards.
Because I saw that video on the internet and I heard that she died afterwards.
Alright. I Understand the the blindside ins't like the greatest movie ever or anything, but I fail to see how it was horribly racist. It was portraying racism, and seemed to show that it is wrong.
Political correctness to the degree where we can't have any black people helped out or supported by white people is even worse in my opinion. Sure, there should be movies about strong black men and women helping themselves (and I'm sure there are), but I don't understand why films with different approaches are considered racist.
I know that was all off topic, but bob bringing it up kind of made me angry about it again. I still want to check out Secretariat just as a fair-weather fan of horse-racing and to see what I think about it. Ebert gave it 4 out of 4 stars...
Political correctness to the degree where we can't have any black people helped out or supported by white people is even worse in my opinion. Sure, there should be movies about strong black men and women helping themselves (and I'm sure there are), but I don't understand why films with different approaches are considered racist.
I know that was all off topic, but bob bringing it up kind of made me angry about it again. I still want to check out Secretariat just as a fair-weather fan of horse-racing and to see what I think about it. Ebert gave it 4 out of 4 stars...
Here, here Bob! We need more critics like you to call out Hollywood on its pandering bullshit!! Otherwise, they'll just keep making the same damn movies over-and-over again asking "Why didn't it make as much money as [Title]?"
So... Secretariat doesn't work because nothing really is at stake here. All conflict has been pared away so all you see is a rich woman taking up horseracing, which is a little odd in that time of male-dominated horseracing stables, but nothing too scary?
Thanks for letting me know, MovieBob. I suspect some of your frustration is not because the movie is bad but because you did the research and know the story had the potential to be so much better...
Thanks for letting me know, MovieBob. I suspect some of your frustration is not because the movie is bad but because you did the research and know the story had the potential to be so much better...
A really good australian film came out this year called Animal Kingdom. its not in the least bit cheesy.Togusa09 said:
