253: Phoenix Wright's Objection!
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Well, Manfred did receive one penalty. He did win the case though.Noxshadow said:
EDIT: Also, to reply to the article:
I don't know, I thought Edgeworth cut down on the superciliousness later on. Yeah, he's still supercilious, but he's not as supercilious, and being that way is part of the character's charm...Ace Attorney Investigations wouldn't have been as entertaining without his constant snarking.
Klavier (prosecutor in Apollo Justice) is definitely pretty decent though. Some fans have actually complained that he's too nice, to the point where he makes the game too easy with how much he's willing to help you out.
I actually just got done writing an essay on the legal systems in different countries as a comparative politics take home final. One of the sources I cited stated "In this way Japan can still be considered an Imperial country because of the power many of the elites possess through the court system."
I hadn't read this article at the time, if I had I definitely would have cited it as well. That might have hurt my grade but definitely would have may my essay more awesome.
I hadn't read this article at the time, if I had I definitely would have cited it as well. That might have hurt my grade but definitely would have may my essay more awesome.
I lived in Japan for two years, and I've had things like this happen to friends of mine. I think they have a ten day holding period, but that can be renewed countless times. I've been stopped by the police before being "in the wrong neighborhood," and I've heard rumors that they try to make foreigners sign confessions that are written purely in Japanese. I'm thankful that this article was written to let the Western world know what really goes on in the Japanese legal system. I will admit I'm a bit jaded, but I'm hoping that the lay judge system will bring changes. I know it won't immediately, but it's something to look forward to.
That said, I never would have made those connections to Phoenix Wright! I lived there when the games were coming out, but I still never thought of it. Very insightful!
That said, I never would have made those connections to Phoenix Wright! I lived there when the games were coming out, but I still never thought of it. Very insightful!
Really? I think I prefer that to "the majority vote must include at least one professional and one lay judge".toriver said:OBJECTION!VondeVon said:
(Just had to do it...)
It's actually the other way around. If the majority of the lay judges find the defendant not guilty, the acquittal stands. One professional judge has to agree to a guilty verdict in order for it to stand.
...Wait, I've been assuming the lay judges are the young new ones.. they are, aren't they?
Freudian slip.toriver said:
Yes. Each jury trial consists of 3 professional judges and 6 "lay judges", or citizen jurors. They essentially work together to determine a verdict. If the majority of the lay judges agree to a "not guilty" verdict, it goes through regardless of the decision of the professional judges. If the majority agrees to a "guilty" verdict, at least one professional judge has to agree. But in the current judicial culture in Japan, that shouldn't be difficult at all.VondeVon said:
Wow.
The thing that's always, always bothered me about the PW games is the burden of proof. A prosecutor only has to suggest a theory and every time, every chapter, every trial it's up to the poor attourney to find actual hard evidence to disprove that spurious theory. Now i'm not saying that's what happens in a Japanes courtroom, but from reading this article I'm curious as to how far from the truth is that?
You've given me a lot to ponder, thank you.
The thing that's always, always bothered me about the PW games is the burden of proof. A prosecutor only has to suggest a theory and every time, every chapter, every trial it's up to the poor attourney to find actual hard evidence to disprove that spurious theory. Now i'm not saying that's what happens in a Japanes courtroom, but from reading this article I'm curious as to how far from the truth is that?
You've given me a lot to ponder, thank you.
Very nice article. I always knew the games reflect the Japanese legal system but I did not know all the details as outlined in this article. Let's hope the system really changes for the good. Nobody should be sentenced for something he didn't do, no matter in what country.
Excellent article. As a big fan of the Ace Attorney series and a lifelong student of Japanese culture, I was surprised to learn about the real-life connection. It just goes to show you how even a great localization can be misleading. The game material and other sources emphasize how the court system depicted in the games is fictional, so I never even gave it a second thought. I always admired the games for being well written and intelligent (while also being hyperbolic and fun-loving) and this new connection makes me admire the team even more for their boldness. When I first heard of the games all those years ago, I thought it was supposed to be wacky, like they tried to pick the most unlikely occupation for a main character for kicks. But now get it... Phoenix Wright is like the legal Dark Knight!
I'd really love to read more from this author.
I'd really love to read more from this author.
Very interesting. Sounds an awful lot like the system in China. Only China's is worse. I know of people who are working to change that too though. A friend of mine, a law professor there, is working on reform, mostly regarding prisoners rights. Like you were saying about Japan, right now in China there are no rules about how interrogations are conducted. Lawyers are never present, and coercion and sometimes flat our beatings and torture are often used as means of securing a confession. Reform is a slow but worthwhile process. Glad Japan is coming around.
So I guess it's a good thing that Japan has the lowest crime rate in the world? Less innocents jailed, more incompetent police? Not entirely sure what to think.
Such a great series, but hard to believe it resembles the law system anywhere. Scary, letting a single person judge your innocence in a real courtroom. And forcing people to make false confessions, wtf is the point?
Such a great series, but hard to believe it resembles the law system anywhere. Scary, letting a single person judge your innocence in a real courtroom. And forcing people to make false confessions, wtf is the point?
"Grass is always greener on my side of the fence?", to mutilate the saying. I'd rather have 12 of my peers have to all agree that I'm guilty, then one guy dispensing justice. Also, once you enter the appeals process, the appelate courts are jury-less, with anywhere from 3 to 9 judges presiding anyway.Hardcore_gamer said:
I could find common ground, and just use a 7-9 judge system straight out of the door. But one guy being "judge, jury and executioner"; ie giving out the sentence, is a terrifying concept to me.