Price Drop Won't Help Ailing Wii U, Claims Analyst

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Price Drop Won't Help Ailing Wii U, Claims Analyst



Nintendo's Wii U is in dire straits, but surely cutting the price could right that ship, no? Not according to gaming industry analyst Michael Pachter.

The NPD's latest sales figures emerge this Thursday and Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter has rather grim predictions for Nintendo. Pachter believes that the Wii U will have sold a mere 55,000 units during its fifth month in existence, marking a 17-percent decline over the previous month. What's worse, Pachter believes this trend will continue, even if Nintendo opts to drop the price of the console.

"The only key hardware device to underperform our expectations was the Wii U and its fortunes appear unlikely to improve for several months, even if Nintendo decides to drop price, as there are an insufficient number of core titles that are generating interest in the console," Pachter states. "We think that core gamers are far more likely to turn their attention to the PS4 (due in the holiday season) and the next Xbox, which we believe will be unveiled before E3 and have a launch alongside that of the PS4, and believe that the long-term appeal of the Wii U will be severely limited by the perception that the PS4 and next Xbox will be much more powerful with greater online integration and multimedia functionality."

Pachter believes that this sales decline may only be a harbinger of worse things to come for Nintendo. If the PlayStation 4 and next Xbox are price competitively, Pachter says, the Wii U's declining sales may drop even further.

The key reason for Pachter siding with Sony and Microsoft lies not so much in games, but in all the other things next-generation consoles are supposed to bring to the table. Pachter cites multimedia functionality and video playback as two key elements that could propel the PS4/Xbox 361 over the Wii U. Plus, Pachter believes that the new Sony and Microsoft consoles may be even cheaper than their predecessors. "If we are right, any of Microsoft's MSO partners will have an incentive to subsidize the purchase of the next Xbox in exchange for a long-term service commitment (similar to the cell phone model)," Pachter states. "If the subsidies are steep, it is likely that the next Xbox will appear more affordable to many consumers than currently anticipated, and it may capture market share faster than many expect. We don't expect Sony to sit idly by watching, and believe that the PS4 will follow Microsoft's lead in short order, suggesting to us that next-generation consoles could have lower starting prices than any in history."

Of course, as with anything Michael Pachter ever says, this should be taken with a grain of salt. Pachter's claims are not based on inside knowledge, but are instead prognostications based on prior sales data and, likely to some extent, gut feelings. That said, Pachter has a history of being right about this sort of thing - hence why Wedbush Morgan pays him the big bucks to predict the future of the gaming industry.

Point being: Take this doom and gloom as gospel truth if you'd like, but it's entirely possible that Wii U sales may surprise everyone when the NPD Group's figures are revealed later this week. It's not at all likely (and we expect Pachter to be more or less on the money), but it is possible.

Source: GamesIndustry [http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-15-pachter-price-drop-wont-help-wii-u]

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RaikuFA

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Are we suprised this guy's talking shit about Nintendo again?

We need a new analyst. One that isn't such a biased fuck up.
 

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Pink Gregory said:
Soo...is Michael Pachter literally the *only* games industry analyst?
He's certainly the only one I ever hear about. Now that I think about it I have never seen/heard him say anything positive about Nintendo. Wonder what that's about.
 

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Assuming for the moment that the Wii U is at least not burning the world down with sales figures, can we finally once and for all just admit that the TV is all the screen we really need in our console lives?
 

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Eh, whatever. As long as Nintendo keeps putting out quality games, first party or not, I will keep buying their consoles.

New Super Mario Bros. U is extremely fun and addicting and I can hardly wait for Bayonetta 2, Zelda, and Metroid as well
 

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Curious, do Microsoft and Sony make more money/have a higher profit than Nintendo?

I bet no one really knows except the CEOs and others in said companies but it could be possible that Nintendo fares the worst out of the big three. Of course this is relative since none of these companies are going away anytime soon. (Though I do see Microsoft making it's own coffin for the NextBox.)

In any case, it would be nice to hear from another analyst not because I don't like Pachter but because I like variety.
 

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itsthesheppy said:
Assuming for the moment that the Wii U is at least not burning the world down with sales figures, can we finally once and for all just admit that the TV is all the screen we really need in our console lives?
Nope, I love the off-screen play so much that it is actually influencing what console I buy certain titles for
 

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I'd probably buy one if it was cheaper. Or when Bayonetta 2 comes out.
 

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Pink Gregory said:
Soo...is Michael Pachter literally the *only* games industry analyst?
Not the only, but the only one that both speaks to the public and (mostly) speaks sense.

On Nintendo he's said for a few years that their software development is great, but Nintendo's ability to make money from it is held back by their hardware strategy. More specifically they rely on their first party games (Mario/Zelda in main) to sell the hardware, but as the Gamecube proved first party software alone doesn't always shift consoles, so Nintendo are limiting their own sales by hoping customers buy the hardware for the four or five fantastic pieces of software available on it.

For the Wii it didn't really matter as the Wii caught onto a fashion trend, but it counts doubly for the Wii U, since it doesn't even have those first party games yet, it's effectively a non-product as far as most gamers are concerned.

He reckons Nintendo would make more money abandoning home consoles and selling their games on other platforms. I can't say I agree with abandoning hardware, but I can't deny I would totally re-buy Metroid Prime and Twilight Princess if they ever hit the PC.

I don't agree with him all the time, but there's usually logic behind his ramblings, it's better than a lot of analysts who seem to just repeat the press releases. Also, his advice on pre-orders is good (why would you pay in advance for anything?), more people should listen to it.
 

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I honestly hate it when you log on gametrailers and see his face plastered everywhere. You watch his video's and all he seems to do is talk out his ass, insult his fans and shower himself with self gratification and praise. He rambles on about his life like anyone cares?

Yeah, we really need a new analyst.
 

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itsthesheppy said:
Assuming for the moment that the Wii U is at least not burning the world down with sales figures, can we finally once and for all just admit that the TV is all the screen we really need in our console lives?
Asynchronous multiplayer has rather large potential. Imagine a social FPS like N64 Goldeneye, but each of you has his own screen. Or a Tank simulator where each person has his own job. There are certain things that would be impossible with only one screen, and I am looking forward to hearing about them.
 

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I didn't like the wii, the motion controls were gimmicky and poorly implemented(the only well implemented games were like metroid prime and other first parties and that were at launch, they only got worse with time), but it plays gamecube games well and lets me watch netflix without charging me money for a service I won't use.

I don't have too much more interest in the Wii U, but I would buy it easily over the other game systems because its a actual video game system. With sony and microsoft putting out weak gaming pcs with what amounts to slave collars included I have little to no interest in this console generation outside of the WII U and VITA and I require better services and price drops from both before I spend money on either of them.
 

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kailus13 said:
itsthesheppy said:
Assuming for the moment that the Wii U is at least not burning the world down with sales figures, can we finally once and for all just admit that the TV is all the screen we really need in our console lives?
Asynchronous multiplayer has rather large potential. Imagine a social FPS like N64 Goldeneye, but each of you has his own screen. Or a Tank simulator where each person has his own job. There are certain things that would be impossible with only one screen, and I am looking forward to hearing about them.
I've heard about games like that and while they're neat, how can they appeal to a mass market? I suppose Rock band could do it, but that phenomenon doesn't seem too eager to repeat itself. and let's face it, getting a group of people together to pretend to play Guns n' Roses hits is more appealing a prospect than getting a roomful of people interested in a tank sim.
 

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TheProfessor234 said:
Curious, do Microsoft and Sony make more money/have a higher profit than Nintendo?
Last year, yes and yes. Over the last five years, no and no. Over the last decade, no and maybe.

Nintendo made their first annual loss ever last year (2011-2012) on account of the 3DS failing to make the intended impact and the Wii U being in development. Microsoft and Sony made money on games (but not elsewhere, MS/Sony's wider spread of products make them hard to compare to Ninty as a whole).

Five years ago Nintendo walked off with all the money thanks to the Wii and DS being at the height of their powers. Whilst Sony were wondering what went wrong and Microsoft were red ringed into financial oblivion.

Ten years ago, Nintendo turned a profit on both the N64 and the Gamecube, albeit small ones compared to all crushing PS2. Largely irrelevant though as they made scads of money with the GBA and the DS. Microsoft lost money on the Xbox all through it's life, they were in that generation purely to gain a market share.

Who made the most money overall? Sony or Nintendo, depending on how badly the PS3 (and PSP:Go, Vita) release burned Sony and whether income from third party releases on the Wii ever approached the gigantic levels of income they did for Sony across PS1/2/3. At a pure guess I'd say Nintendo, probably.
 

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Fappy said:
Pink Gregory said:
Soo...is Michael Pachter literally the *only* games industry analyst?
He's certainly the only one I ever hear about. Now that I think about it I have never seen/heard him say anything positive about Nintendo. Wonder what that's about.
Well to him, it's the cool thing to do. He thinks it makes him more popular if he bashes Nintendo and praises Sony and Microsoft.
 

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The WiiU won't sell without games?

shit, Pachter, you really wrecked your brain over that analysis there, now did you?