South Park Creator Says Video Games Face "Double Standard"

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South Park Creator Says Video Games Face "Double Standard"



South Park co-creator Matt Stone says the interactive nature of video games still makes some "uncomfortable."

South Park: The Stick of Truth released earlier this month and, as expected, the game was filled to the brim with crude humor and irreverence. That said, not every gamer has been privy to all of the game's hilarious content. While the it hit stores uncensored in the United States, versions released in Europe and Australia had some of the game's more controversial bits <a href=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/132690-South-Park-The-Stick-of-Truth-Wasnt-Censored-By-PEGI>cut out and replaced by <a href=http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/688/688759.jpg>text descriptors. Commenting on the game recently, South Park creators Matt Stone and Tray Parker called this a "double standard" compared to what they can put on television.

"It does feel like a double standard," commented Stone, who said that TV, especially in recent years, has become "crazily more permissive." Comparatively, Stone says that he was told flat-out that foreign markets would give them a harder time about The Stick of Truth. "I was told that Australia has different standards [for video games]," he said. "They have their own ratings system, as does Europe, so I was told that we had to submit it for ratings and they come back and tell you this will pass, this won't."

These different standards, of course, led to the censored versions of the game, something that Stone has made peace with to an extent. "As long as we could make a joke out of the fact that they made us cut [content], that was fine." Such compromises are no stranger to Stone and Parker who, in the past, have been forced into similar situations <a href=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/22/south-park-mohammed-censo_n_547484.html>by Comedy Central. That said, Stone expressed that he can perhaps understand why controversial content in video games sometimes makes people uncomfortable. "There is an interactiveness that makes it different. In movies and television you can do stuff that's morally grey very easily... in a video game there's a reason why everything is a Nazi, zombie, or alien - these are pretty clear moral choices," he said. "There are things that make people more uncomfortable in an interactive world, definitely. But that said, what we had in the game, we could have shown that on TV pretty easily, especially now."

Source: <a href=http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2014/mar/07/south-park-matt-stone-trey-parker-stick-of-truth-video-game>The Guardian


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That's probably correct but seeing I'm here in 'Merica, I can only ask this and assume I know the answer.

From the descriptor, the anal probe scene in "Stick of Truth" is what got censored (maybe more stuff was too but let's stick with this example). In the very first South Park episode, Cartman gets anally probed (it's happened multiple times in the show but that's the one I remember). Was that censored in Europe/Australia?

I'm guessing it was not with what Stone said in that last quote but it'd be a good baseline test to see if he's right.

Either way, I do agree with his overall point; people tend to shy away from the especially violent and sexual content in games that you could have in something like "Game of Thrones" due to the interactivity. It's easier for some to stomach a man slicing another man in half with one hand while groping a maiden wench in the other when it's on "Game of Thrones". Take that same exact scene except as a video game where I press X to kill and press B to grope and all of a sudden we're crossing the line.

I kind of get why...but not really.
 

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Strange... You see, the anal probe thing is Episode One stuff, very old and very well known. It should have lost its impact in the South Park context regardless of format. Ah well, I know the correct response to this...

Stone? Parker? Release a DLC that mocks the interference of other countries by having an extra mission where the guys have to deal with agents of other countries trying to hold up the game in a fourth-wall-breaking sort of way.
 

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StewShearer said:
These different standards, of course, led to the censored versions of the game, something that Stone has made peace with to an extent. "As long as we could make a joke out of the fact that they made us cut [content], that was fine."
LOL, wut?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/132690-South-Park-The-Stick-of-Truth-Wasnt-Censored-By-PEGI

That article was posted on March 5th so I am curious as to why you didn't call shenanigans in your article.
 

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The censored message is pretty clever, but I'll also say that the original scene, however brief, was pretty hilarious, especially since the probe was working with such vigor and sense of purpose.

I don't even LIKE South Park the show, but the game is pretty awesome so far.
 

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Can't they now release an "optional" patch that by-passes Australia's censorship laws?
 

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I live in Germany and South Park's cuts are a really strange case of "mass appeal":
The console versions have been cut to achieve a 16 years rating (at least in Germany, PEGI rates differently). The PC version was not cut and is rated for 18 year old players. All versions have been modified so they don't show the Nazi symbol - there is a law in Germany which prohibits the distribution of those symbols in something else than educational material or art (and nobody has proven in front of a court that video games are art yet). But nonetheless the scenes discussed here were not removed due to a law (at least in Germany). They have just been removed to be sold to a bigger audience. So Matt Stone is not very well informed why those cuts were made in this case.
 

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I for one am not too miffed by all this, the New Zealand Steam version escaped being censored.

Suck it Aussies!
 

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Sarge034 said:
StewShearer said:
These different standards, of course, led to the censored versions of the game, something that Stone has made peace with to an extent. "As long as we could make a joke out of the fact that they made us cut [content], that was fine."
LOL, wut?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/132690-South-Park-The-Stick-of-Truth-Wasnt-Censored-By-PEGI

That article was posted on March 5th so I am curious as to why you didn't call shenanigans in your article.
You're confusing Ubisoft's decision to enact content cutting with Matt & Tray's desire to keep the content in while working with Obsidian. M&T were essentially extra hands with Obsidian, helping shape and create Stick of Truth, but Ubisoft's fear of backlash and outrage forced them to cut the content. They, as Matt uses the term, is more towards Ubisoft instead of the rating boards, but Ubisoft's reaction can be a symptom of the rating boards'/governmental bodies' desires to keep interactive media "child friendly".
 

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Ed130 The Vanguard said:
I for one am not too miffed by all this, the New Zealand Steam version escaped being censored.

Suck it Aussies!
You just added insult to injury, kiwi. How dare you?! Go back to your sheep!

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I is kidding. Still though, really salty over the fact that despite us getting an 18 rating, I believe last year just in time for The Last of Us, this can't be seen. Not only does my copy of GTA 5 on the couch have scenes where in I hire hookers for lovely car sex, but an entirely naked cult and lapdances for only 40 dollars!

And yet South Park, a show which has been shown for many years and uncensored - gets censored!? REALLY?! Fucking oldies running the Australian Game whateverthefuck.

I also love the fact that I actually once saw an actual IRL sex change on South Par, the show, which was shown by Mr Garrison getting his sex change and it flicking in and out of IRL view. As in, full view of the doctor cutting the testicles out. Not the nicest thing. But I'm fine with it, because I CHOSE to watch it. And then the South Park game who's abortion scene involves seeing nothing except for the player jabbing things with needles and a probe scene from the side gets banned? REALLY?!
 

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King Whurdler said:
I still think those text descriptions are not only really clever, but also genuinely funnier than the uncensored stuff, but I'd say Stone's correct nonetheless.
I actually disagree, so I think this is a matter of opinion. I originally bought the Steam version of the game and got the crying Koala. The image itself was funny to a degree, but just served to remind me how conservative the Australian government is. After the second time i saw the koala, I quit the game and downloaded a patch for the uncensored version and started again.

What I found was that the uncensored version was far more enjoyable to me. If you enjoyed the censorship, that's fine, Matt and Trey tried their best to make a compromise that wouldn't screw over the consumer completely, but the anal probe and abortion mini games were utterly hilarious by comparison.

Thank god for PC and the ability to workaround shit like this.
 

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FalloutJack said:
Strange... You see, the anal probe thing is Episode One stuff, very old and very well known. It should have lost its impact in the South Park context regardless of format. Ah well, I know the correct response to this...

Stone? Parker? Release a DLC that mocks the interference of other countries by having an extra mission where the guys have to deal with agents of other countries trying to hold up the game in a fourth-wall-breaking sort of way.
Better yet: Make an episode. It will have a more wide-reaching audience.
 

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Stone? Parker? Release a DLC that mocks the interference of other countries by having an extra mission where the guys have to deal with agents of other countries trying to hold up the game in a fourth-wall-breaking sort of way.
"Hey, new kid! You may not know this... But, the world you're living in is a world that we created! And, it seems that some secret government organization in our world is trying to censor out your world from the inside-out... We hope that you will be able to help us take care of them before we have to censor another part of this world to fit their backwards agendas... We know you can do it because, based on how the player has created you, you have what it takes to shut them down for good! You can do it, new kid!"

Add in some Matrix/Inception references throughout this whole DLC quest and you got yourself another 5+ hours of gameplay...

OT: Damn video games and their censorship! It's just like the rise of films or the rise of books... When will we learn that we don't have to keep doing these censorship-like traditions on every new medium that's breaking big these days? I'm starting to think this "think of the children" stick is even less powerful[footnote]as a legit excuse[/footnote] than the Stick of Truth, through the eyes of the adults...
 

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I don't see it as that big of deal to cut those specific scenes. They weren't the greatest jokes anyways. However, I got stuck on the anal probe scene because I can't repeatedly mash a button to save my life, making the scene about ten times funnier than it should of been.

I do find it kind of silly to censor the scenes because it is a South Park game and people know what to expect from it. The show has been hugely popular for almost 20 years, and it's not rare for them to explore anal rape subject matter.
 

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Ed130 The Vanguard said:
I for one am not too miffed by all this, the New Zealand Steam version escaped being censored.

Suck it Aussies!
The irony is that not a single game that has been 'censored' has actually been so on my PC/consoles, it's so easy to get around it because the law doesn't ban owning the uncensored version, thus you can just import/buy from gamersgate etc etc.

The problem with the ratings board is that they don't actually sit down and play the games/watch the shows/movies etc, it actually comes down to what the publishers write in the form and a few clips showing things they consider potentially controversial which they submit to the classification board that they go off. So the way something is described in the form and presented in the footage can make all the difference as context in most of these cases is everything. That's why GTAV got through where as SR4 got changed.
 

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StHubi said:
All versions have been modified so they don't show the Nazi symbol - there is a law in Germany which prohibits the distribution of those symbols in something else than educational material or art (and nobody has proven in front of a court that video games are art yet). But nonetheless the scenes discussed here were not removed due to a law (at least in Germany).
As an outsider and not from Germany I can understand the laws about Nazi symbology, the courts want a water tight way of banning the use of it with as few loopholes as possible. Is it right? Not sure but I can understand the reasons for it, as for the whole anal probe and abortion thing. Its pretty far from my sense of humour so I do not find it funny it all, neither puke, pee or faeces. I don't think it should have been censored though but again I can see the reasons, a gritty RPG like the Witcher would probably have gotten away with it but in the eyes of the censors they would have seen a cartoony game and thought it would attract a young audience instead of thinking "well its South Park".
 

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I never placed the South park creators with high esteem when it comes to their IQ. Regardless what they say, it makes no sense that the censors would allow some formats to be uncensored.
IQ levels aren't taken all that seriously, to be honest. In the words of Stephen Hawkins, "I have no idea. People who boast about their IQ are losers".

Besides, they've made a career out of recognising social issues and dumbing it down so people who aren't in touch with said issues can laugh at how ridiculous they are. Its also the most consistently intelligent show out there. That's got to say something for their intelligence, especially if people drop that assumption that being immature doesn't mean you're a dumbarse.