Actually the Elder Scrolls isn't just about the endgame. Just like the single-player games you gain a lot more enjoyment, and more quest opportunities, by exploring the world. Also, if you attempt to rush through the content, only burning through story quests and the occasional town quest, you'll quickly find yourself outleveled and getting squashed by trolls in 1-2 slaps. With multiple factions (more than 2), and the sheer volume of quests, it will be some time before anyone would actually tire of "the grind", especially since the quests are rarely of the standard fetch, kill, or escort variety.SonOfVoorhees said:All MMOs are about the end game, making people play and pay to get to the good stuff. I had that with WoW, such a grind to play yet everyones says it gets good at level 60. Yeah, im not playing a game for 60 hours to get to the good stuff. Same with Guild wars 1 and that superhero MMo.
That's assuming it does take much time. It's most likely just a basic counter, that checks how many times the character was turned in one go, then play an animation if the number of spins is equal or higher than X.Arawn said:Spinning the character makes them sick? Very nice. Although it doesn't add anything to the game itself, it's worth a chuckle or two. But I'm sure a part of me wonders if that time/programing couldn't be better spent on the other issues....
Plus that animation was likely added as an emote anyhow so throwing a check into the programming to trigger it at character creation really doesn't add much work.Bindal said:That's assuming it does take much time. It's most likely just a basic counter, that checks how many times the character was turned in one go, then play an animation if the number of spins is equal or higher than X.Arawn said:Spinning the character makes them sick? Very nice. Although it doesn't add anything to the game itself, it's worth a chuckle or two. But I'm sure a part of me wonders if that time/programing couldn't be better spent on the other issues....
Seems to be something one guy could do in one afternoon, not counting the animation-part.
Don't think there will be a trial, but I guess you can wait until the point where they will eventually go free to play.Tanis said:So...it REALLY IS a TES game.
XD
I hope some kind trial comes so I can check it out.
I believe the point is to be humorous and is presented in a tongue in cheek style, not too rag on a game with a ridiculous business model (and let's be honest... it is ridiculous and if you wanted too go for the jugular you'd do it with that), especially as it's a Bethesda game and they are notorious for their bugs.mjharper said:I disapprove of this article. Not because I'm trying to defend ESO or be an apologist for its bugs, but because I can't recall (to the best of my knowledge) a similar article on The Escapist about other games. ESO is neither the buggiest game nor the worse launch in recent memory. But did we see 'Top 10 Diablo III bugs' or 'Most hilarious Sim City bugs'? No.
I hesitate to call the article 'link bait', but please note that I'm hesitating. I expect better from The Escapist.
Except the game isn't made by Bethesda, it's made by Zenimax. Also, your comment doesn't explain why there weren't similar articles for the other games I mentioned. We don't normally see this kind of article on The Escapist - so why now?Rellik San said:I believe the point is to be humorous and is presented in a tongue in cheek style, not too rag on a game with a ridiculous business model (and let's be honest... it is ridiculous and if you wanted too go for the jugular you'd do it with that), especially as it's a Bethesda game and they are notorious for their bugs.mjharper said:I disapprove of this article. Not because I'm trying to defend ESO or be an apologist for its bugs, but because I can't recall (to the best of my knowledge) a similar article on The Escapist about other games. ESO is neither the buggiest game nor the worse launch in recent memory. But did we see 'Top 10 Diablo III bugs' or 'Most hilarious Sim City bugs'? No.
I hesitate to call the article 'link bait', but please note that I'm hesitating. I expect better from The Escapist.
I believe the "working as intended" byline is either meant too be a reference too Bethesda's (admittedly probably over worked) QA department, or a comment on MMO's having bugs at launch in general.
Regardless it's Zenimax's first game and it's published by Bethesda so it does have that "it's buggy" trope in effect just for association. But that doesn't change the tone of the article which is clearly meant too be tongue implanted firmly and fiercely in cheek. As for similar articles for other games, well because bugs were just the tip of the iceberg with those other games; Simcity and Diablo III weren't working as intended, as a result got masses of serious discussion on here.mjharper said:Except the game isn't made by Bethesda, it's made by Zenimax. Also, your comment doesn't explain why there weren't similar articles for the other games I mentioned. We don't normally see this kind of article on The Escapist - so why now?Rellik San said:I believe the point is to be humorous and is presented in a tongue in cheek style, not too rag on a game with a ridiculous business model (and let's be honest... it is ridiculous and if you wanted too go for the jugular you'd do it with that), especially as it's a Bethesda game and they are notorious for their bugs.mjharper said:I disapprove of this article. Not because I'm trying to defend ESO or be an apologist for its bugs, but because I can't recall (to the best of my knowledge) a similar article on The Escapist about other games. ESO is neither the buggiest game nor the worse launch in recent memory. But did we see 'Top 10 Diablo III bugs' or 'Most hilarious Sim City bugs'? No.
I hesitate to call the article 'link bait', but please note that I'm hesitating. I expect better from The Escapist.
I believe the "working as intended" byline is either meant too be a reference too Bethesda's (admittedly probably over worked) QA department, or a comment on MMO's having bugs at launch in general.
It was even better than that. Mojang are the ones who started it by trying to get a trademark on Scrolls. Bethesda definitely had to respond to that. If Mojang hadn't filed for the trademark, Bethesda wouldn't really have had to get involved in order to protect their mark. Either way, the safest business decision for both sides would be for lawyers to work things out, which is exactly what happened. It was all just standard business procedures. The whole Mojang/Bethesda was just another non-story turned into a big kerfuffle because trademark laws aren't well understood and it generates a lot of comments.Lightknight said:They had to pursue Mojang because they used the term scrolls. A failure to defend their namesake would have allowed any company after Mojang to use the term and site Bethesda's failure to protect their IP as them losing rights to it. Why a failure of the general population to understand law equates to a kerfuffle is beyond me.
You're absolutely right, there were no cutesy tongue-in-cheek articles for those games when they fell down during launch. They were completely blasted with both barrels for their transgressions, rather than given the softball treatment that ESO has gotten here, but there are plenty of articles written in a similar vein.mjharper said:I disapprove of this article. Not because I'm trying to defend ESO or be an apologist for its bugs, but because I can't recall (to the best of my knowledge) a similar article on The Escapist about other games. ESO is neither the buggiest game nor the worse launch in recent memory. But did we see 'Top 10 Diablo III bugs' or 'Most hilarious Sim City bugs'? No.
And that title is even worse. "Working as Intended". In all honesty, I came to this article expecting to see a piece about a representative of Zenimax defending the game in that way. Because, frankly, what other sense does the title make? No-one except the deluded would indeed claim that the game is working as intended. So who is doing that? Zenimax, or the author? Could we have a quotation, please, or stop making ridiculous assertions?
Just as a point of fact: the biggest current story in ESO is rather the frequent server downtimes - Saturday, Monday and Tuesday (today) in the EU - which is causing an understandable amount of indignation among players. But why are the servers down? A single (arguable) exception aside, because Zenimax is working hard to address precisely the bugs this article is 'reporting' on, along with duplication scams and the like.
I hesitate to call the article 'link bait', but please note that I'm hesitating. I expect better from The Escapist.
Obviously, I'm misinformed, and deserve to be insulted. Or then again, I might just have a different opinion to you, and actually have put some time into what I wrote.Gilbert Estrada said:You're absolutely right, there were no cutesy tongue-in-cheek articles for those games when they fell down during launch. They were completely blasted with both barrels for their transgressions, rather than given the softball treatment that ESO has gotten here, but there are plenty of articles written in a similar vein.mjharper said:I disapprove of this article. Not because I'm trying to defend ESO or be an apologist for its bugs, but because I can't recall (to the best of my knowledge) a similar article on The Escapist about other games. ESO is neither the buggiest game nor the worse launch in recent memory. But did we see 'Top 10 Diablo III bugs' or 'Most hilarious Sim City bugs'? No.
And that title is even worse. "Working as Intended". In all honesty, I came to this article expecting to see a piece about a representative of Zenimax defending the game in that way. Because, frankly, what other sense does the title make? No-one except the deluded would indeed claim that the game is working as intended. So who is doing that? Zenimax, or the author? Could we have a quotation, please, or stop making ridiculous assertions?
Just as a point of fact: the biggest current story in ESO is rather the frequent server downtimes - Saturday, Monday and Tuesday (today) in the EU - which is causing an understandable amount of indignation among players. But why are the servers down? A single (arguable) exception aside, because Zenimax is working hard to address precisely the bugs this article is 'reporting' on, along with duplication scams and the like.
I hesitate to call the article 'link bait', but please note that I'm hesitating. I expect better from The Escapist.
You seem to be laboring under the impression that the Escapist is supposed to be hard-hitting, cold, factual reporting site where humor is verboten. I would suggest you take advantage of your premium membership and read more of the site.. you'll find that there's humor just about everywhere you look, though I can understand that it might not seem that funny when someone is taking the piss out of a property which you may be sentimentally attached to.
In summary I'd like to quote the esteemed Sgt. Hulka: "Lighten up, Francis."
You may have an elevated sense of self-importance if you think anything I wrote was even remotely an insult. It's also possible that you may not be a very sophisticated reader if you assume that not explicitly naming the title means the idea behind it was never addressed (see the parts about humor for clarification).mjharper said:Obviously, I'm misinformed, and deserve to be insulted. Or then again, I might just have a different opinion to you, and actually have put some time into what I wrote.Gilbert Estrada said:You're absolutely right, there were no cutesy tongue-in-cheek articles for those games when they fell down during launch. They were completely blasted with both barrels for their transgressions, rather than given the softball treatment that ESO has gotten here, but there are plenty of articles written in a similar vein.mjharper said:I disapprove of this article. Not because I'm trying to defend ESO or be an apologist for its bugs, but because I can't recall (to the best of my knowledge) a similar article on The Escapist about other games. ESO is neither the buggiest game nor the worse launch in recent memory. But did we see 'Top 10 Diablo III bugs' or 'Most hilarious Sim City bugs'? No.
And that title is even worse. "Working as Intended". In all honesty, I came to this article expecting to see a piece about a representative of Zenimax defending the game in that way. Because, frankly, what other sense does the title make? No-one except the deluded would indeed claim that the game is working as intended. So who is doing that? Zenimax, or the author? Could we have a quotation, please, or stop making ridiculous assertions?
Just as a point of fact: the biggest current story in ESO is rather the frequent server downtimes - Saturday, Monday and Tuesday (today) in the EU - which is causing an understandable amount of indignation among players. But why are the servers down? A single (arguable) exception aside, because Zenimax is working hard to address precisely the bugs this article is 'reporting' on, along with duplication scams and the like.
I hesitate to call the article 'link bait', but please note that I'm hesitating. I expect better from The Escapist.
You seem to be laboring under the impression that the Escapist is supposed to be hard-hitting, cold, factual reporting site where humor is verboten. I would suggest you take advantage of your premium membership and read more of the site.. you'll find that there's humor just about everywhere you look, though I can understand that it might not seem that funny when someone is taking the piss out of a property which you may be sentimentally attached to.
In summary I'd like to quote the esteemed Sgt. Hulka: "Lighten up, Francis."
You still haven't addressed the the issue of the title, I note. Interesting.
Also, on the supposed humour of this article, if it's meant to be funny, it fails. 'I fell through the world lol' is not humour, and neither is it a humorous bug. Cows falling from, or disappearing into, the sky, as they did in Skyrim at times, is humorous. The response to that is along the lines of 'WTF did I just see?' The response to falling through the world? 'Sigh.'
I still disapprove of this article, for the reasons stated, and merely accusing me of not having a sense of humour, or of being an in-denial apologist will not change that. To reiterate, this is a poor article because:
a) the title suggests a different kind of piece to the one presented
b) the bugs mentioned are nothing new
c) it doesn't at all reflect the current news or events surrounding the game
d) if it's meant to be funny, it isn't, because it doesn't even manage 'lol so random'
I'm well aware that Diablo III and Sim City were lambasted on The Escapist. My point was that there's barely even a story here at all.
I remember falling through the world on DAoC and finding it pretty humourous;mjharper said:Also, on the supposed humour of this article, if it's meant to be funny, it fails. 'I fell through the world lol' is not humour, and neither is it a humorous bug. Cows falling from, or disappearing into, the sky, as they did in Skyrim at times, is humorous. The response to that is along the lines of 'WTF did I just see?' The response to falling through the world? 'Sigh.'