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There is just something that boils my blood whenever I see a generic startup series on youtube. It does not matter what it is about and I know it is unfair given the fact that everyone needs to start somewhere but I guess I am just spoiled due to a select few starting off strong with no name but something to offer.
Oh! So that?s why Sterling started flooding his podium with meaningless videogame figurines to the point where it just looks tacky now.
The series can be angry, as long as they also have a well reasoned message behind them. Otherwise, it's just some screaming idiot trying to shove a t.v remote in his butt.
The text below this comic is just about the opposite of my opinion. I can't stand the personality cults of new media - it puts all focus on the person doing the writing, rather than the merits of the writing itself. It shouldn't matter who says what, only what's being said in the first place. That said, I'm probably guilty of putting too much focus on the sender myself - since I tend to actively avoid anything produced by youtube personalities and the like, due to my dislike of the phenomenon.
Interestingly, I interpret the comic itself as being in support of my view, rather than the one being presented in the text, since it criticizes the "form over function" trend.
Interestingly, I interpret the comic itself as being in support of my view, rather than the one being presented in the text, since it criticizes the "form over function" trend.
"Egoraptor" and "critic" in the same sentence?
XD
Erin also forgot the landslide of SNES cartridges.
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Erin also forgot the landslide of SNES cartridges.
His Sequelitis stuff is pretty insightful, but yeah that's as far as it goes. And putting TotalBiscuit as "more recently" instead of Jim Sterling? Hah!Sigmund Av Volsung said:
Jirard The Completionist is more of a critic.Cowabungaa said:
At best, Egoraptor is an occasional pundit, but even when he does comment on things, he's unfocused and explains his opinions imo than encouraging discussion.
I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, knowing the personality behind somebody's review of a game or just his general opinions can add context to the things he is saying, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Taking Jim Sterling as an example, if I already know his opinion on topic X, it may inform me on how he arrived at another opinion on topic y. And the better I understand his reasoning of how a person arrived at an opinion, the better I will be able to agree with, dismiss or just generally understand his position, and factor it into my own thoughts on the matter. The fact that Jim is staunchly "pro-consumer" in just about everything he does helps me contextualize the things he says.Nomad said:
On the other hand, in some cases someone's persona has the negative side-effect of painting a writer into a corner he can't get out of. Remaining with Jim, I find that his Jimquisition has gotten awfully stale in the past few months. It's as if he has run out of things to say, but since he needs some company or organization to criticize, because that is simply what he does, he either repeats himself, or manufactures something to talk about, such as the utter non-scandal that was people using the unity engine to make very poor games and putting them on steam. As if there weren't already a nearly infinite number of bad games on steam. [footnote]I still like Jim, I've just gotten very bored with the Jimquisition series. I wish he would move on to something else. But if anyone still thinks that the Jimquisition is great, that's fine too. And if you think unity asset swapping is an imprtant topic, I disagree, but it isn't a discussion for this thread. I just needed an example, and I'm not trying to start a fight about this.[/footnote]
Whether the negatives outweigh the positives, I'm not sure. I think both have their place. But judging by the development of the past few years, we seem to be trending towards the personality-driven side of games media.
Egoraptor is by far more of a critic that offers insightful commentary and encourages much more discussion than She Who Must Not Be Named (but they did), instead of just attacking video games and making money off being part of the "victim/offended/triggered industry."Sigmund Av Volsung said:
Or rather, to the point where he keeps knocking them off the podium. xDSteve Waltz said:
Still awesome. >
I see where you're coming from Grey. I've kind of been going in a similar direction with who/what I follow on the web.
Still, I thought the reason for putting all the crap was that people just wanted to show off what they had. That or they just liked it.
Not that there isn't ever a cynical component to it, but I'm not sure it's all the time.
Anyway, great comic. =w= b
I personally think it all just stems from the Cinemassacre nerd room thing, and people being inspired by that. To be fair, I have shelfs full of useless video games crap.Imp Emissary said:Or rather, to the point where he keeps knocking them off the podium. xDSteve Waltz said:
Still awesome. >
I see where you're coming from Grey. I've kind of been going in a similar direction with who/what I follow on the web.
Still, I thought the reason for putting all the crap was that people just wanted to show off what they had. That or they just liked it.
Not that there isn't ever a cynical component to it, but I'm not sure it's all the time.
Anyway, great comic. =w= b
Maybe I should start a webseries :O
I'll do it with Tizzy and call it "God damn it Tizzy it's all gone to shit"
xD I'd watch it. You can chat with him about One Piece while getting pissed. ;DThe White Hunter said:
Well, to be fair, Jim's issue wasn't just that they were using Unity stuff to make lame games, but that they were buying pre-made game skeletons (not the kind Jim likes) that were meant to be the base for them to build a game on top of.Fat_Hippo said:
Instead of doing that, they were selling said pre-made packs without really adding anything to them.
I believe the reason Jim wanted to draw attention to that is because it shows that not all the "devs" on steam are actually doing as much work on their "games" as most people would believe.
Without those episodes, I would have thought those asset packs were just kind of lame Minecraft knock offs, when they were in fact something bought from Unity that was meant to be the foundation for a game. Instead they were being sold off as finished products.
Such isn't illegal but it isn't exactly a good thing to have on Steam either.
That's not a bad idea. No idea what to do as a hook to make it stand out though, I'm sure me and Tizzy rambling about bullshit would be amusing. Production quality would be crap I'm a terrible editor.Imp Emissary said:
Its gotta be better than half the guys who review wrestling shows. They just have a camera and a nasally voice.
Ah well. It's more enjoyable to just chat with friends for pleasure rather than business.The White Hunter said:
If ya do try it out, skip the drinking bit. It sounds good on paper, but actually drunk performances hardly ever work right.
<.< Although, Drunk History is pretty good.
Wouldn't mind an anime version of that. Were fans of the show describe episodes while drunk and have people act out what they say while in cosplay or just animated the description.
If anyone has the talent for that, feel free to steal the idea. Just send me a link.
I get the added value you get as a reader or viewer by having prior knowledge of the sender, but that's value you shouldn't need to be adding yourself. The point being made should be coherent enough to illustrate its own context. If it's not, then that just means there's room for improvement in the delivery. If anything, your prior knowledge of the sender only serves to hide that imperfection.Fat_Hippo said:
That's still probably the least of the issues I see with the whole thing, though. The greatest issue is that the consumer perception of the message is invariably coloured by their opinion of the sender. Something that would be probably be called crap if a random teenager did it is considered gold because the sender is Pewdiepie or someone. Or, in my case, I would probably scoff at a cure for cancer if someone like Pewdiepie was the origin, simply because my disposition is way into the negatives before they even open their mouths.
The whole "personality-driven" thing just serves to obscure the merits of the actual product - just like a shoe being manufactured by "Nike" rather than "Florf". Florf may very well make the better shoe, but Nike's version will in all likelihood sell better anyway.