298: Ghosts of Juarez

[esperandote]

OK, the thing is this, Mexico it's not on his knees as most of you americans whant to belive.
I'm from Mexicali which is in the border with Calexico California,
what it's happening is a horrible wave of advertising from the govberment, who want's everybody craying about violence and crime, so we all forget other problems in the country,

I played GRAW 2 just a few weeks ago, and i can tell it's nothing like what is happening in Mexico.

I found it to be purely fantasy, silly, bad writen but somehow fun.

I dont understand what's the problem with this games, ok, for mexicans it's that we have to kill our people in the game... well nobody is forcing us to play it.
And if it's for the kids, i don't think Call of Juarez it's going to be less than Mature rating.

Mexicali eh? En realidad Baja California está mucho mejor que en Chihuahua, creeme. Claro, en ninguna parte de México se está exento de violencia, pero Chihuahua es simplemente una pesadilla. A mí casi me asaltan el 31 de Enero (persiguido por 300 metros), y desde entonces tengo un cierto pánico en las calles. Varios camaradas de mi padre han sido ejecutados y secuestrados. En mi opinión la violencia no es para crear una distracción de los demás problemas en el tema socio-económico. Pero bueno, el resultado siempre será el mismo.

I live near Cd. Obregon (if I lived in Nogales we would be from the three of the most important and violent border cities ) And even though there is way more violence here than it used to be, on sunday there was an execution like 4 minutes from my home (Whaaaat!?), it isn't a violent as in Nogales even though political parties want to make it look like it is.

But the Cd. Juarez is, if not the worst, one of the worse.

 

[cerebus23]

Games makers should be free to make whatever games they want and let the marketplace decide if they are right or wrong. GRAW2 was a good game with a good story, and decent gameplay, dunno if tom clancy actually wrote the plot for it, kinda assumed they just stamped his name on stuff anymore and cut him a check, but he was alaways a bit ahead of the curve in picking out world trends and making the implosible seem plausable, based off worst case scenarios.

Free market actually works you know, if a game offends people will not buy it in great numbers. So i have no problem with games using real world bad guys like the taliban to portray terrorists, now if they are using said terrorists to portray that they are just misunderstood people that like kittens and babies then i would not bother with the game.

If your for free speech you cannot and should not accept any limits on said free speech, else one day you will have no free speech. People can decided what they like or dislike for themselves given a chance and proper information on all sides of an issue. Use logic rather than emotional thinking, because emotional thinking causes alot of the woes in society. And lets governments take rights away.

If you are anti free speech or for limits on free speech then you basically say i have no faith in people to think for themselves and act responsibly. And the small number of crazies and just pure evil people that cannot or will not act responsibly should be dealt with. But never let an extreme minority dictate the norm for everyone.

 

[DJ_DEnM]

I opened this thread thinking that their were gonna be a lot of people saying discriminative stuff. Im glad there isnt. I also live in Mexico and it is a scary situation. A 6th grader from my school recently got kidnapped. My mothers friend was kidnapped. I go walking from school to my house, so the chances of getting kidnapped are high. And I have friends that also go walking home that live further away.

 

[fulano]

Ugh. I'm from a border state, in Hermosillo, Sonora, in Mexico. And, yeah, shit seems to be hitting the fan these days as violence sems to be creeping around, like esperandote says. Just a few months back a dude was executed less than a mile from my house b/c he happened to be tha General Director of Jails in the municipality, or whatever, and was cracking down on some illegal nonsense that was going on inside of them (they had just fired his predecessor and is now who the fuck knows where).

But what people should understand is that this isn't about free speech against censorship. If you wanna say something go ahead and say it, be it in movie form or game form, but don't expect us to be okay with what feels like exploitative bullshit coming from someone who isn't dealing with this mess of a situation. If people intend to do a serious game about it then I'm all for it, but when Ubisoft or someone else pulls that kind of shit then we have an issue.

And yeah, it's too soon. How about someone started making schlocky games while people were jumping off the burning twin towers? people are quick to condemn a highschool shooting mod but not this? It's all in the principle, people. Give people time to move on.

Again, I'm all for your free speech, but, please, do eff yourselves if you are using it for the sake of your own entertainment.

What pisses me off is that you're too goddamn sensitive to let a game try. Just because little ***** ass children won't understand any possible nuances it might have doesn't mean you should fucking write it off!

They made hundreds of games out of WWII; nobody got pissed. "it's a long time ago," they said. That doesn't fucking changed what happened. People just like to forget history as well as current events, and this is gonna make them think. "oh I don't wanna." You gotta be fucking kidding me. If you're so upset, read a fuckin book about the drug wars and educate yourself.

What pisses me off is that you have no undertsanding or empathy to understand that people aren't even trying. They're just profiting from exploiting an unfortunate situation that they're not even dealing with. Your entire logic is a sad mess and I cannot believe you cannot see the glaring holes in it.

 

[Tony2077]

i miss shooters like graw 2 good story good game play sadly it had a crap pc port. more thing people say about other contries make me want to stay in Canada where its safer till i can be a assassin like in those movies(wont happen ever)

 

[DarkSpectre]

Mexico is more dangerous than Iraq.

 

[ThisIsSnake]

Being British I'd find it pretty insulting to my country if 'the troubles' started up again, ROI invades us and an American game developer then decides to portray the British army losing badly with the Merkan Army sent to rescue our poor defenceless selves.

 

[talkstogod]

... Try explaining to this woman http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/mexico/8077251/Mexican-student-takes-over-police-in-drug-war-town.html why a large American corporation should make an entertainment out of her attempt to bring basic law and order to where she lives...

Um. You're going to have a tough time explaining it to her... Marisol Valles Garcia attracted worldwide attention five months ago when she took over the job of Police Chief (when the article was written); a lot less attention was paid when she went missing earlier this month.

The horrors of real life have always and will always be far worse than the horrors of ANY fiction.

 

[Psycho Cat Industries]

You know,I don't like this fact much,but if you legalize the drug then there is no war.

 

[Pseudonym2]

I played this game a little while ago along with two other Tom Clancy games. All of them uncomfortably mix silly juvenile sci-fi military power fantasies with real life silly juvenile military power fantasies.

All the references to the weapons and tanks were seemingly written by the Pentagon and were drooling over how powerful these new weapons are. My favorite description is boasting of gun's "ease of use." Um, pull the trigger? The tough guy dialogue and terrible rock music videos make the game seem like a recruitment for the military.

 

[Arbre]

If utilizing the Mexican military was problematic, depicting U.S. troops on Mexican soil was toxic. Mexican feelings are still raw from two centuries of border conflict with the U.S., and even with violence spinning out of control, the idea of deploying U.S. combat troops is severely unpopular with the Mexican public. However, the U.S. is assisting the Mexican government in other ways, like providing training and technological upgrades for law enforcement, as well as sending U.S. soldiers to Mexico as trainers and advisors - fairly standard for U.S. anti-drug efforts in Latin America.

You know, for a country which has created such chaos that over one million Iraki got brought to their death beds, spammed napalm over Vietnam like there was no tomorrow, supported governments using chemical weapons in Middle East, nuked Japan twice and toppled perfectly governments across the globe, in Iran, South America and Africa, I find that their "efforts" in drug fighting most disappointing, to say the least, especially when you know that all it takes to drop the quite industrial production of drugs is to burn lands.
Oddly enough, there has never been as much drug shipping outside of Afghanistan as when the USA decided that there was a war to wage on tribemen while hunting some suppoedly douche hiding in caves *cough*.

 

[pizzapicante27]

If utilizing the Mexican military was problematic, depicting U.S. troops on Mexican soil was toxic. Mexican feelings are still raw from two centuries of border conflict with the U.S., and even with violence spinning out of control, the idea of deploying U.S. combat troops is severely unpopular with the Mexican public. However, the U.S. is assisting the Mexican government in other ways, like providing training and technological upgrades for law enforcement, as well as sending U.S. soldiers to Mexico as trainers and advisors - fairly standard for U.S. anti-drug efforts in Latin America.

Yeah sure, thats all rigth, thing is, having a member of an outside military force is anticontitutional: its illegal for anyone of the Mexican government to allow armed forces to exit the country (while theyre in service), or to allow foreign militaries in the country (armed, unarmed, as support, as allies, anyway, its anticonstitutional), besides, youre right: the first time we had your soldiers in our territory, you took half of it, second time you bombarded our main port, third time, thanks to your influences thousands of unarmed students where gunned down, so no, the game WAS kinda offensive to us (both of them).

 

[Killerbunny001]

I played this game a little while ago along with two other Tom Clancy games. All of them uncomfortably mix silly juvenile sci-fi military power fantasies with real life silly juvenile military power fantasies.

All the references to the weapons and tanks were seemingly written by the Pentagon and were drooling over how powerful these new weapons are. My favorite description is boasting of guns "ease of use." Um, pull the trigger? The tough guy dialogue and terrible rock music videos make the game seem like a recruitment for the military.

The game is catering to the.. how do you people put it ? "Nascar watching, flag saluting Americans". And I guess it does a pretty good job at that through what you just said.

For me? I turn half the brain off, don`t think about the plot too much and manage to have fun.