2K Games Denies Rumors of Big XCOM Changes

[HerbertTheHamster]

X-com never existed in my eyes. There was Ufo: Enemy Unknown and that was it. And this console-y shooter isn't even remotely connected to that.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

It already went through big changes...from a RTS/RPG to an action shooter....kinda like ME2...

FO3 is horrabily balanced for anything that goes beyond the scope of the main 8-12 hour quest.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

So your example of the rebooted MI is essentially by definition a reboot.

Huh?

Go back and read my post. Hell, I'll just explain it to you.

Like the rebooted Mission Impossible to feature nothing from the old series apart from the exploding messages?

That essentially is a reboot...
Reboots by definition ignore previous storylines. So featuring nothing but the eploding messages is essentially a reboot. You seem to want them to bring back more from the previous MI movies. That would make it a remake, not a reboot.

I've said it before. Find me a single reboot that's a patch on the original.

Well there's the entire Legend of Zelda series technically.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Go back and read my post.

Read it twice. Read the next part.

So my example of something was of that thing? Reboots have to contain a fragment of the original to justify the "re-" part of the title.

Sorry, just not getting what you're trying to say. If you're saying that a remake takes chunks of the original and a reboot ignores the original then I'd have to disagree. Look at Highlander the Film series versus Highlander the cartoon. It's not a remake because it requires the basis of the original and not a reboot as it references the original?

I say again, huh?

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Go back and read my post.

Read it twice. Read the next part.

So my example of something was of that thing? Reboots have to contain a fragment of the original to justify the "re-" part of the title.

Sorry, just not getting what you're trying to say. If you're saying that a remake takes chunks of the original and a reboot ignores the original then I'd have to disagree. Look at Highlander the Film series versus Highlander the cartoon. It's not a remake because it requires the basis of the original and not a reboot as it references the original?

I say again, huh?

Lemme use your Highlander example to explain this. That is a spin-off. It bases it's story off of a pre made world with previous events being accounted for.

A remake enhances the original. Pokemon Red/Blue to Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen is a prime example. Newer features, exact same story.

A reboot ignores the original's story but holds the same premise. 007 Casino Royale, Doom 3 and Batman Begins are all examples of reboots.

So again when you ask about, in your words :

the rebooted Mission Impossible to feature nothing from the old series apart from the exploding messages

, realize that you're asking about something that isn't supposed to have features from it's old series.

 

[Ghengis John]

I still don't get why they're using the name XCOM.

The name means nothing to a lot of people (myself included), and those it does mean something to are expecting something entirely different.

A very astute statement. And I say this as an old XCOM fan. I can only presume this title was born out of a desire to mine the old franchise bin and someone decided, after it had already metamorphosed or been distilled into what it now was to stick by their guns and persist in calling it XCOM.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

So again when you ask about, in your words :

the rebooted Mission Impossible to feature nothing from the old series apart from the exploding messages

, realize that you're asking about something that isn't supposed to have features from it's old series.

So, how come they have that, The Avengers has exactly the same characters, The Green Hornet etc.

See if it's got some features, go with some features. If it's got no features, go with NO features.

Or better yet...rename it something else. Don't keep raping ideas...even Shakespear knew to alter the titles. Spin-off,remake or reboot: if you dump the core premise - you've lost the name.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

So again when you ask about, in your words :

the rebooted Mission Impossible to feature nothing from the old series apart from the exploding messages

, realize that you're asking about something that isn't supposed to have features from it's old series.

So, how come they have that, The Avengers has exactly the same characters, The Green Hornet etc.

See if it's got some features, go with some features. If it's got no features, go with NO features.

Or better yet...rename it something else. Don't keep raping ideas...even Shakespear knew to alter the titles. Spin-off,remake or reboot: if you dump the core premise - you've lost the name.

You still don't get it. The Avengers movie is the first in that franchise in the film medium. The Green Hornet falls under the same category. That makes them not apply to this remake/spin-off/reboot debate we are having.

You seem to have trouble understanding the differences between a spin-off, reboot, and remake.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

You still don't get it.

It doesn't make sense, that's why.

The Avengers movie is the first in that franchise in the film medium. The Green Hornet falls under the same category. That makes them not apply to this remake/spin-off/reboot debate we are having.

But they're re-makes from the original media. Which have had media transitions before without losing their basic essence.

You seem to have trouble understanding the differences between a spin-off, reboot, and remake.

Because they're never clearly differentiated. And it's still really rare that one of either supplants the original. Especially when it directly counters the original, as in the prequels.

For instance: House MD to Sherlock Holmes: Which one of those is that? And if it's none, why does that relationship have more in common than XCOM to X-Com?

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

It's not X-Com. Never was. They're just using the licence for recogition purposes to sell their tawdry little product that couldn't sell on its own merits.

I don't know about that. The X-Com series isn't terribly popular and well-known...I highly doubt they're using the name for recognition purposes.

Speaking of which, is X-Com on GOG yet?

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

It's not X-Com. Never was. They're just using the licence for recogition purposes to sell their tawdry little product that couldn't sell on its own merits.

I don't know about that. The X-Com series isn't terribly popular and well-known...I highly doubt they're using the name for recognition purposes.

Speaking of which, is X-Com on GOG yet?

Nope, the UFO spinoff is though. Steam still has the package for dirt cheap though [http://store.steampowered.com/sub/964/], and this handsome chap thinks you should buy them. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/reviews/5379-Review-X-Com-Revival-Package]

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

You still don't get it.

It doesn't make sense, that's why.

The Avengers movie is the first in that franchise in the film medium. The Green Hornet falls under the same category. That makes them not apply to this remake/spin-off/reboot debate we are having.

But they're re-makes from the original media. Which have had media transitions before without losing their basic essence.

You seem to have trouble understanding the differences between a spin-off, reboot, and remake.

Because they're never clearly differentiated. And it's still really rare that one of either supplants the original. Especially when it directly counters the original, as in the prequels.

For instance: House MD to Sherlock Holmes: Which one of those is that? And if it's none, why does that relationship have more in common than XCOM to X-Com?

House MD to Sherlock Holmes doesn't fall into this argument either. Yes there are references but really House MD isn't a spin-offf due to there not being any previous connections to any Sherlock Holmes events in the House MD show. It's not a reboot or remake for the exact same reason. The mannerisms and connections to other characters doesn't make it a spin-off,remake or reboot. Those are inspirations.

Now with X-COM to XCOM. XCOM is a reboot. It's about aliens coming to invade Earth and an FBI agent sent to find and exterminate them. But it's not a continuation of the X-COM story and not even a continuation of the X-COM spinoff stories. Its it's own story done in a completely diferrent way. The Aliens look different, the story is set in the 1950s, and the X-COM Unit isn't an already established anti-alien defense force it was in the original X-COM series.

The original series took place in 1998 and as I said earlier has the X-COM unit in place by the time you start playing it.

Two completely different stories, same premise. That's a reboot.

The original X-COM was based off two things. The book Alien Liason and the TV series UFO.
Is X-COM veiwed as being a spinoff, reboot, or remake or those? No.

The difference between a reboot, a remake and a spin-off is not by any means hard to define.
Hell, the tell you that when they introduced the title.

Reboot=Discards previous continuity to start series anew with fresh ideas.
Examle: X-COM>XCOM, Burton Batman> Nolan Batman
Remake=A piece of media based primarily on an earlier work of the same medium
Chrono Trigger SNES version> Chrono Trigger DS, John Wayne True Grit> Jeff Bridges True Grit
Spin-off=Changes veiwpoint from a pre-conceived story's character to another or shows a different time in the protagonists life as a whole story.
Buffy The Vampire Slayer>Angel, Disney Hercules> Young Hercules TV show

I don't know how much more easy the differences are to spot.

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

It's not X-Com. Never was. They're just using the licence for recogition purposes to sell their tawdry little product that couldn't sell on its own merits.

I don't know about that. The X-Com series isn't terribly popular and well-known...I highly doubt they're using the name for recognition purposes.

Speaking of which, is X-Com on GOG yet?

Nope, the UFO spinoff is though. Steam still has the package for dirt cheap though [http://store.steampowered.com/sub/964/], and this handsome chap thinks you should buy them. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/reviews/5379-Review-X-Com-Revival-Package]

$15. Not bad. I've got a few on PS1 RPGs to get for my PS3/PSP first. But once that's over and done...Well...I think it's time for some REAL turn-based strategy. None of this grind heavy JRPG stuff. Which is good, but outside of the Fire Emblem series, not particularly strategic.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

The original X-COM was based off two things. The book Alien Liason and the TV series UFO.

I rather believe it was heavily influenced by Rebelstar Raiders and Laser Squad as well.

Is X-COM veiwed as being a spinoff, reboot, or remake or those? No.

Uh...of Rebel/Laser? Yes.

Reboot=Discards previous continuity to start series anew with fresh ideas.
Examle: X-COM>XCOM, Burton Batman> Nolan Batman

Keeping the basic mythology, names, setup? Sounds more like a remake.

Remake=A piece of media based primarily on an earlier work of the same medium
Chrono Trigger SNES version> Chrono Trigger DS, John Wayne True Grit> Jeff Bridges True Grit

Where House MD has been stated to be a remake of Sherlock Holmes, or at least heavily influenced by him.

Spin-off=Changes veiwpoint from a pre-conceived story's character to another or shows a different time in the protagonists life as a whole story.
Buffy The Vampire Slayer>Angel, Disney Hercules> Young Hercules TV show

That one makes more sense. They've been doing that since Happy Days.

I don't know how much more easy the differences are to spot.

Because the definitions are malleable. XCOM reboot denies all of X-Com. Batman reboots (all 6/7 of them) keep the same premise, stock characters, names etc. Highlander reboots are spinoffs. The Avengers reboot is actually a remake.

What it seems to mean is that we're attaching this known name to this unknown (sludgepile) script/project and running with it.