30 US Troops killed by Taliban in single attack.

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SemiHumanTarget said:
That doesn't answer the question at all. The chinook is also used as a resupply helicopter. It's primary role is not just transporting troops and there's no reason to have it filled to capacity with men.

Military doctrine usually strictly dictates how many people can occupy vehicles and checkpoints at a given time under given circumstances. While I am sure you've been waiting to wow people with your military knowledge, the size and shape of the helicopter says nothing about how many people should reasonably be occupying it.
Its simply more efficient, plus, you don't know the circumstances. Maybe the LZ was to small for multiple helicopters and having one just running around risks more helos and flight crews. As a general rule, you risk as few people as possible.
 

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imahobbit4062 said:
There are way too many ignorant people in this thread. If you don't care about the war, or soldiers. Why bother posting? To look like a complete dick to everyone? Good job, pricks.

OT: 30 is a high number in modern conflicts, sad news indeed, especially for some of Americas Elite troops.
+1

Yeah, leave it to assholes at Escapist to piss on the dead in an effort to look cool.
 

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Mr.K. said:
It's war, people signed up to kill and be killed, this is just part of the process.
To me it's only tragic when civilians get involved, i.e. Oslo is worse, far far worse.
I'm not comparing this to the Oslo attacks, but it's only tragic when it's civilians?
You sir, disgust me, you may not like that, but i don't understand how you can say that.
I don't say that often.
The word tragic implies that a group of innocent individuals was harmed, since the people getting killed were soldiers whom are basically killers in employment of the American government. It's hard to feel sorry for people who are somewhere they have no business being in the first place and have (probably) murdered a lot of people themselves.
Well, it's very clear you know jack shit about the war.
 

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Someone died?

AT WAR?

GASP!

OT: Things like this were bound to happen. When you send an army of men into a foregn county that is in civil war, people die. It just so happens, that 30 people died at once. People should be expecting this. And although, i do feel really bad for those men and theyre familys, i still think its time that the American Government get a new perspective on the wars in the Middle East.

But thats not going to happen.
 

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Um...was anyone else a little surprised, perhaps a little impressed, that 30 dead is the largest single loss of life?
 

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well,there are alot of factors at play here, basically, a chinook can be brought down by a few AK bullets in the right place, so an RPG can do massive dammage, as seen by a battle in Iraq, where 2 chinooks were shot down on a snowy peak, both the origanal chopper, and the chopper of the US Army Rangers sent to rescue them, (sounds a little bit like a repeat of Black Hawk Down eh)but whether it was a real attack or not is unknown, here in Australia we had an incident with the news reporting a black hawk with SASR personel (Australian Special Forces) being shot down, when it turned out to be an accident which the taliban claimed responsibility for,so the details are unclear or not, its even weirder that 20 of these men who dies are SEALs, the same men who took down Osama, a twist of fate, or a leak in intellegence?, once again the issues are unknown, now whether you agree with the war or not, you must remember that these re 30, young, well trained men, who gave up their lives for something that they personally believed in, it IS a tragedy to loose such men who had families waiting at home for them, infact its a tradgedy to loose anyone,whether it be 70 innocent dead at the hands of a phsycotic madman in norway, or the deaths in conflict at the hands of an enemy, too fighting strong for what they believe in (im NOT refering to islam here), my condolences go across to everyone across the world who has been affected byt he current events, the wars, and the global disasters, I think a qoute from general patton also applies to the situation, "it is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died, rather we should thank god that such men lived." good to see everyone taking this topic maturely
 

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Who's bright idea was it to stuff 38 people in a single aircraft and fly them over a firing zone? I know the Chinook has a large carrying capacity, but when you put so many people in one vehicle you're pretty much asking for them to get shot down. It's a sad event, but this was a reckless use of resources. I want to know what the Hell the guy who coordinated this mission was thinking when he thought this was a good idea.

My prayers go out to the soldiers and their families. They didn't deserve to die like this.
 

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Millions of civilians were killed in Iraq.
I appreciate that the OP was just reporting on recent news but damn dude, look at the world around you.
Bad shit happens, people die. Those soldiers knew what they were getting into.
My Uncle's in Afghanistan.

I won't go into the "should they/shouldn't they be" stuff too much but I do have to concede that there is a situation, and I don't want to know what might happen if that situation is left to grow unchecked. My only gripe is the plight of the innocent.
 

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Wow, that's terrible. My condolences to the families of the lost.

And you people say "soldiers die, no big deal" and "no sympathy for killers" are just being jackasses. Grow up.
 

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Jonluw said:
While it's sad that people are killed like that, I can't say I am particularly moved.
It's war. People firing rockets at eachother is to be expected.

My condolences go out to those left behind from the attack.
Yeah, this... They died doing what they loved and they knew the risks. It's sad but many more than this die every day doing stupid mundane things.
 

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time for an actual post
to everyone saying that the soldiers knew what they were signing up for
that may be true
but im sure NONE of them would expect to die horrible in a fucking helicopter crash
because there's no way that was quick and painless
honestly i feel sorry for their families
thats 30 people who arnt coming home...
 

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BrailleOperatic said:
At the risk of sounding incredibly insensitive Oslo was worse. Not only were there more, they were all innocents. Military combatants losing lives in a known combat zone due to the actions of enemy forces is less of a tragedy more of an occupational hazard.
Premature death is always a sad thing, but this isn't exactly shocking, surprising, or even really news.
I agree with this entirely. It's sad, but not really newsworthy. They signed up to fight, that's why people all have those 'support our troops!' bumper stickers. In combat, people die. It's sad, but honestly something to expect in war.
 

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Devil said:
Sud0_x said:
Millions of civilians were killed in Iraq.
I'm sorry, what? Iraq Body Count [http://www.iraqbodycount.org/] (IBC) and the wikileaks [http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wikileaks-iraqi-civilian-deaths-higher-reported/story?id=11953723] have suggested that is it no where near that number since the invasion began in Iraq. IBC has watched the news regularly to provide estimates between 102,000 to 111,000 Iraq civilian deaths (numbers do not report if U.S., NATO, or Taliban individual counts), while wikileaks has stated downwards near 66,000 Iraq citizens killed since the invasion began in 2010. So unless we detonated a few nuclear warheads in a few cities this year that we don't know about...

Where did you get MILLIONS? Are you talking about when Saddam was in control?

dyre said:
imahobbit4062 said:
There are way too many ignorant people in this thread. If you don't care about the war, or soldiers. Why bother posting? To look like a complete dick to everyone? Good job, pricks.

OT: 30 is a high number in modern conflicts, sad news indeed, especially for some of Americas Elite troops.
+1

Yeah, leave it to assholes at Escapist to piss on the dead in an effort to look cool.
I completely agree with this statement, especially considering the amusing irony that so many Escapists claim that all lives are precious and should be preserved, I even remember a few wanting to make sure the Oslo killer wouldn't be harmed in his arrest. Yet the minute an American soldier dies, everyone gladly says he deserved it.

Hell, I'm joining the military in a year along with my pals, and I'm not bothered by people's ignorance. I know that me and my friends are brave enough to put on the uniform and have a job to do, we don't need any more than that to motivate us.
Err brain fart, for some reason I was thinking 1 Million, must've been 100,000.
But yeah, who gives a fuck about them. [/sarcasm]

Okay fine, I just googled "Iraq 1,000,000" and according to a wiki article one of the estimates is just over 1 Million dead. My memory did serve me because I believe that number was used in the documentary I watched entitled "The war you don't see".

Devil said:
IBC has watched the news regularly to provide estimates...
There's your problem.

Let me just state that the only reason I'm responding here is because I did state a number without revealing where it came from.

I stand by what I said, they can do what they think has to be done now but I've got more compassion for the innocent bystanders at the end of the day.


You go your way, I go mine.
 

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This thread is sick. I like how once a American solider dies then who gives a shit right? That seems to be the general feeling here. Yet im supposed to feel sympathy for the people who cause and praised the 9/11 attacks? Frankly? Fuck them. I don't give a shit what happens to them, and I hope they all get killed. As for the civilians? I really feel sorry that they have to live in such a shit hole where IED's go off in schools and hospitals. I feel sorry that they are trapped in between such a shit conflict that has really gone on for to long. I hate that we are still over there. What I don't hate is the troops that sign on for this knowing they could end up dead. Knowing that they don't have to do it. I will praise them for still having faith in their country even though it frankly is a mess right now. I feel sorry for any troop, regardless of nationality that is in this war or any other. Any Extremist? I will never feel sorry for. People on this sight are disrespectful and just plain out rude. Some one said we are no better than them? They gun down innocent people because they don't agree with them. How can we ever be compared to that?

Oh yeah and the best part is they died defenseless.
 

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fundayz said:
This wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there in the first place.

The US puts it's nose in everyone's business and then cries foul when they get punched in the face.
That could have possibly worked on the Iraq side but the Afghan conflict is almost the reverse. We got punched in the face but our responce was a little more substantial than crying foul.

U.S soldiers are the bravest people I know. All give some, some give all. Best respect.
 

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Oh for fuck's sake people, show a little sympathy. No soldier signs up to die like this. And this story is newsworthy because 30 soldiers died, all in one go, which is the worst loss of life the US has had since the war began. But no, you guys are more worried about who you'll be able to bed in Mass Effect 3. Christ, and I thought I was a misanthrope.
 

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Right. 30 dead. Because that's so much more important than the fact that over 1500 Iraqi citizens, completely innocent, have been killed, often with just as many people as this being gunned down. It's sad, but other things need more attention. I may sound callous. That's because I am. When the world stops its downward descent to hell, I'll soften up.
30 members who busted their asses to become handpicked to serve in missions requiring the greatest of secrecy, usually taking place on hostile ground, thousands of miles away from their homes, surrounded by people that fucking hate their very guts, in a mission in which there is no chance they will survive, while keeping a war over an ocean for the sake of their fellow countrymen so that they may live.

Yeah. I'd say those thirty outweight the irrelevant, small thousand. Quality over quantity.
 

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Sizzle Montyjing said:
You know i don't have time to reply to all of these, but just think about there families, and the one civilian on board as well.
And the families of the all the people they killed?
I understand that as your countrymen they represent the righteous knights of freedom that ride into the battle field on fluffy bunnies to vanquish sauron and his evil henchmen, the truth however is alot more grim.