Check the copyright statutes once again. In many areas, the copyright is not strictly valid if the IP holder is not taking any action to protect their copyright.nickpy said:Just because they're available doesn't mean they're available legally. "Abandonware" is not actually a thing - copyright doesn't magically evaporate just because the original developer is no longer actively selling it. The only way copyright stops applying is if the copyright owner specifically places the work in the public domain, releases it under a suitably permissive license, or the copyright times out (which I believe is now author's lifetime + 70 years, or something equally ridiculous).
I don't think he cares weather or not getting old games from sites such as abandonware is legal or not. Copy right means nothing on the internet.nickpy said:Just because they're available doesn't mean they're available legally.[SNIP]Sseth said:A lot of these games are offered for free on the web as abandonware.
That's trademark law, not copyright.Ajarat said:Check the copyright statutes once again. In many areas, the copyright is not strictly valid if the IP holder is not taking any action to protect their copyright.nickpy said:Just because they're available doesn't mean they're available legally. "Abandonware" is not actually a thing - copyright doesn't magically evaporate just because the original developer is no longer actively selling it. The only way copyright stops applying is if the copyright owner specifically places the work in the public domain, releases it under a suitably permissive license, or the copyright times out (which I believe is now author's lifetime + 70 years, or something equally ridiculous).
No. Abandonware, legally, are software whose owner is no longer existant (bacnrupt, closed, what have you) and the rights for the software does not belong to anyone legally. the software is abandoned, hence abandonware. It is legal to download abandonware. that being said, these games are NOT abandonware, even if some sites incorrectly present it as such.RealRT said:Abandonware is just a fancy word for piracy. But the deal is not that great, yes.
Abandonware is not a legal term. The owner still owns the copyright and thus, the work. Abandonware is not legal, it's just that nobody cares if you download it, since, you know, old.No. Abandonware, legally, are software whose owner is no longer existant (bacnrupt, closed, what have you) and the rights for the software does not belong to anyone legally. the software is abandoned, hence abandonware. It is legal to download abandonware. that being said, these games are NOT abandonware, even if some sites incorrectly present it as such.RealRT said:Abandonware is just a fancy word for piracy. But the deal is not that great, yes.
But like Strasdas said, if the original owner no longer exists as a legal entity, it's perfectly possible for something to have no legal owner. Whether in that case anyone else has the right just to take it is a slightly different question (if you find money in the street, technically you aren't allowed to take it) but it's certainly hard to describe it as 'piracy' by any measure.RealRT said:Abandonware is not a legal term. The owner still owns the copyright and thus, the work. Abandonware is not legal, it's just that nobody cares if you download it, since, you know, old.No. Abandonware, legally, are software whose owner is no longer existant (bacnrupt, closed, what have you) and the rights for the software does not belong to anyone legally. the software is abandoned, hence abandonware. It is legal to download abandonware. that being said, these games are NOT abandonware, even if some sites incorrectly present it as such.RealRT said:Abandonware is just a fancy word for piracy. But the deal is not that great, yes.
Sorry you said Abandonware, which usually means sites that host it calling it Abandonware since it's no longer for sale. People misunderstand it as meaning it's legal to download when often their not. Normally it's simply a case of the publishers not bothering to chase up after games they aren't selling currently.Sseth said:No you are wrong I'm pretty sure I've seen multiple of these games available for free on reputable sites. It may have changed now considering this deal but I mean just off the top of my head here's Stargunner off gog.com for free. http://www.gog.com/game/stargunner
Or is that one also piracy?
There is always an owner, be it a CEO or someone else. And in many, MANY cases, the owner is alive and well, it's just that the game is not for sale.Flatfrog said:But like Strasdas said, if the original owner no longer exists as a legal entity, it's perfectly possible for something to have no legal owner. Whether in that case anyone else has the right just to take it is a slightly different question (if you find money in the street, technically you aren't allowed to take it) but it's certainly hard to describe it as 'piracy' by any measure.RealRT said:Abandonware is not a legal term. The owner still owns the copyright and thus, the work. Abandonware is not legal, it's just that nobody cares if you download it, since, you know, old.No. Abandonware, legally, are software whose owner is no longer existant (bacnrupt, closed, what have you) and the rights for the software does not belong to anyone legally. the software is abandoned, hence abandonware. It is legal to download abandonware. that being said, these games are NOT abandonware, even if some sites incorrectly present it as such.RealRT said:Abandonware is just a fancy word for piracy. But the deal is not that great, yes.
Of course, in this case there's no grey area as the software does still have an owner.
Stargunner was indeed officially, legally, completely released as genuine freeware. I'm pretty sure Bio Menace was too, and so was Alien Carnage/Halloween Harry, and Major Stryker, I think.Sseth said:No you are wrong I'm pretty sure I've seen multiple of these games available for free on reputable sites. It may have changed now considering this deal but I mean just off the top of my head here's Stargunner off gog.com for free.
Nvm.RealRT said:Yes, they own the trademark and the character and rights to all future games, but the good ones still belong to 3D Realms.