Parents Television Council Attacks Videogame Retailers

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Parents Television Council Attacks Videogame Retailers

An 80% success rate isn't good enough, says media watchdog the Parents Television Council, not when it comes to retailers enforcing ESRB guidelines.

In its bid to protect children from the horrors of videogames, the Parents Television Council has blasted retailers for their "abysmal performance" in adhering to the ESRB rating system. In a "PTC Action Alert [http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/publications/emailalerts/2010/1025.htm]," it said that the incredible rate of non-compliance with the guidelines meant that legislation to fix the problem was inevitable.

The PTC's comments were based on the results of a recent secret shopper campaign it performed, where activists targeted 109 stores across 11 states to see how easy it was for a minor to purchase a game rated Mature by the ESRB. According to the PTC's statement, a youth aged between 12 and 16 went in to the store and tried to buy an M rated game. The youths were instructed not to lie or misrepresent themselves in any way. The PTC specifically targeted the ESRB's retail partners, as well as local retailers in each area, and found that its secret shoppers were able to buy M rated games in roughly 21% of the surveyed stores.

The PTC referred back to a similar study [http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/05/secretshop.shtm] conducted by the Federal Trade Commission in 2008, which seemed to agree with its results, concluding that compliance with the ESRB's guidelines hadn't improved in the last two years. It neglected to mention, however, that the FTC's study also found that videogames were more difficult for minors to purchase than tickets for R-rated movies, R-rated DVDs, or music with Parental Advisory stickers.

The ESRB hit back against the PTC's findings, criticizing the methodology and saying that the results from a similar operation the PTC conducted two years ago actually showed a considerable improvement in the rate of compliance over the last two years, something that the PTC never made clear in its statement. "Frankly, the latest PTC member sting operation actually verifies the effectiveness of the ESRB rating system and the ever-increasing support it receives from retailers," said Eliot Mizrachi, the ESRB's director of communications.

What's frustrating about the PTC's statement is not that it's false - because nothing in it is technically a lie - but that it's filled with half-truths and spin. By taking statistics out of context and painting them in an incredibly negative light, the PTC creates the impression of gross negligence or incompetence on the part of videogame retailers, when in fact they're actually doing more to comply with the relevant guidelines than anyone else. The PTC isn't stating facts here, it's issuing propaganda.

Source: GamaSutra [http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/31210/Parents_TV_Council_Criticizes_Abysmal_ESRB_Retail_Compliance.php]





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KaosuHamoni

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Oh for fuck sake. When will these braindead fools stop trying to destroy a medium that they don't fully understand.

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Wait a minute... did I read that right? The "Horrors of videogames"? I think that this proves that what we have been saying all along is true. They have absolutely no comprehension of the medium, and, now that people are starting to see them for what they are, they are so desperate to find some shred of indecency in the industry. Its pathetic really, and I pity them.
 

Kapol

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Sounds like they're really that desperate to get attention back to them with those declining numbers they have. I guess I see why they're doing so badly. Parents, in regards to their own children, tend to be pretty stupid when it comes to how hard they try to keep children away from stuff that isn't even aimed towards them in the slightest. Oh well...

And I'm willing to bet that most the kids who did get sold M rated games were 16 and likely close to 17, or looked 17. That's just my opinion though.
 

Charli

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Thats actually bad.... in GAME (European/British Game Store branch) We're pretty much on pain of jail time instructed to ask for ID for 16+ and over games...

It sucks but...Adults come into the store and buy them for their kids and to my disgust it isn't illegal. As long as they doll the money and make the purchase there's nothing I can do, even if their little hellspawn is standing next to them pulling the puppet strings.

To be honest, I don't want to sell GTA4 to a kid. That to me is morally irresponsible.

But these crusading parents in the US are just as silly, you push these laws like we have? It's just going to become more and more risque, kids are going to buy them off older kids, resort to other means, and then eventually scream and whine at their parents, who will come in and just buy it for them.

Pointless effort is pointless.

And really they're no worse than movies.
 

pneuma08

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Not to mention that the retailers are doing all of this compliance completely voluntarily. There's also bound to be some failure rate among the low-income workers at these places as well, aggravated by the fact that many of these retailers are gearing up for the holiday season with new hires.
 

daedalus720

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Oh joy, more useless creatures too stupid to raise their offspring trying to regain some of their lost power. These people have no understanding of how things work. As Charli stated in the above quote, the kids are just going to weasel their way into getting the games one way or another, so why bother?
 

Gunjack65

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Oh for crying out...
They are completely flying now. Attempting to find somthing slightly wrong, somthing that also applys to film and music even more so.
 

DJDarque

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How many times does it have to be proven that ESRB rating is the most effective media rating system? How many times have we seen it beat the MPAA ratings and the Parental Advisory stickers?

It's just another case of some group obtaining information that doesn't damn who they're trying to damn so they misrepresent the findings. It's a tactic that is never going to stop.
 

captainwolfos

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Oh please; when will these people see that this entire 'will someone please think of the children' mindset is a complete waste of time? Some of the kids around my area are more bloody violent than anyone I've ever met and haven't even picked up a controller in their lives.

It's not the game retailers fault. It's not the game industry's fault. Hell, it's not even the parents faults in my eyes. Personally I see nothing wrong with buying a game for a kid - my mum's done that with several games for me, including Dungeon Keeper (which unbelieveably is an 18), GTA and a few other games which were so lasting, dynamic and clearly mentally scarring I can't even remember the names of them.

Eh, I know not everyone is going to be like us pro-game crusaders, but seriously. This war has to stop. And the game industry can't even get a word in edgeways without being repeatedly drowned out by the wailing cries of 'terrified parents' and clearly moronic individuals such as these.

Maybe I just get way too fired up over things like this, but this is really stupid.

ESRB ratings are effective. 80% effective may not be good enough, but I doubt it's ever really going to drastically change for the better. There will always be the odd one. And if they're that worried about ESRB ratings, then maybe they should start attacking the film industry as well. This has all been done before with that media. I doubt it's stopped with films, but video games are taking the limelight for now. Then it'll be the next thing until they finally run out of things to complain about. Which they won't.
 

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The reason they are attacking video games is because all the other mediums have already gone to a case like this one and beaten the censors, so it's the only one left that can be attacked like this.
 

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Quite "simple" solution for the retailers:

Get everyone who buys a 16+/18+/whathaveyou game to sign a receipt that he has, in fact, bought the game.

So if any parents try to complain that their offspring has bought an unsuitable game, whip out the receipt and prove that the parent in question has bought the game. Respond with sueing them for false accusations and breach of contract if applicable (maybe put a paragraph on "giving games to minors" to your store policy), and after the first 1000 sued parents or so you're golden.
 

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Obviously it's the parent foundation whatever that has the upper hand here.
What the problem really is, is that Gamestop, one of many, are backing down like growling wounded dogs from the issue.

If any, you have to go on the offensive and bite them in the fucking leg, as they walk forward ever so dominant. You'll see them scream and retreat in no time, squirming away, crying for help.

Show them who's dominant! Come on Gamestop! Make the rules!

(It's all just a metaphor though, so PUH-LEEEASE....)
 

Unrulyhandbag

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Really I would have expected this grade of material from the beginning. It's not a problem as all it takes to counter is pointing out that all other media is doing worse and therefore it's above socially acceptable levels.


Charli said:
It sucks but...Adults come into the store and buy them for their kids and to my disgust it isn't illegal.
To be honest, I don't want to sell GTA4 to a kid. That to me is morally irresponsible.
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The laws in Britain exist so the child's parent or guardian can determine what their child is capable of understanding properly and not have others interfere. The gradings are a guideline for parents and law for everyone else to prevent others allowing a child to be presented with potentially 'damaging' media.

It doesn't matter whether you think they are being irresponsible, you don't know that child or the moral stance of their family. In all probability they are being utterly irresponsible but it isn't our place to deny them the decision.
 

jonnosferatu

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It's funny how willing people are to lie when they "know" that they're right and only searched for evidence because they know how little credence they'll be given in its absence.
 

Shycte

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Well, 80 % success is not really that great. Sure, it's easy to think it is not a big deal. But! A minor should not be able to buy a M rated game without the parents approval. Just like at the movies.
 

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It's so easy to put a blame on someone else for not raising your children right. If they have a problem with video games then they should not let their kids play them. Why the fuck do they care how other people raise their kids? Since when is it alright to meddle in other peoples personal business? First those religious freaks trying to force their opinions and their way of life on everyone, and now this? Leave it be assholes, there are bigger problems out there. Stupid people fuckin' annoy me.