6th Grader Shoots Potential Rapist
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Damn. Her dad's not even gonna have to any "Break her heart: I'll break your legs" discussions with her future boyfriends, all he has to do is show them those videos.cotss2012 said:
False. In England you are allowed to use reasonable force to defend yourself. This does in fact include bladed weapons and firearms (assuming thy are legally held). The law is being looked at to be made clearer for what reasonable is.scw55 said:
As it stands there is a fear for you life test genrally used if it can be believed you had reason to fear for your life then lethal force is acceptiable till that reason dissapates. There have been a few high profile cases on this over the last decade or so and all the ones that have had issues with this there are clear reasons to suspect that the force was not used in self defences. The highest profile one the intruder was shot in the back while seemingly tring to flee, the other that comes to mind after an intial fight in the house the housholder chased the asslaint down the street to continue hurting him.
Given in the UK we've licensensd children to hold shotguns then its not like we can be terribly shocked at in America with much laxer gun controls a 12 year old got hold of a pistol.
In Britan had the girl run to the gun safe (we'll assume she knows the code and that its HER gun) loaded it and unloaded both barrels when the intruder approached her she'd be legally in the clear (reasonable force in any encounter escalates significantly, the smaller and lacking in phisical power the person in place to use the argument of it is).
I have deliberately covered all the UK legal bases here, Evrything about the posssesion and the storage of the firearm was correct (normally to use a shotgun under said license a child that young requires a licensed 18+ year old to use it to hunt or target shoot)and the child in question had clear reason to be fearful.
Fair play to her, even if he didn't want to rape her, you can't take that chance.
Either way he shouldn't have been in the house in the first place. Serves him right and if he was a potential rapist then I think Big Bubba Johnson's gonna deal out some ironic justice during shower time.
Either way he shouldn't have been in the house in the first place. Serves him right and if he was a potential rapist then I think Big Bubba Johnson's gonna deal out some ironic justice during shower time.
My friends ask me why they call this site "The Escapist"
I say: "Well it's where we have serious discussions about rape, gender and violent crime and how awful they are yet have conflicting real world elements"
They say that's not exactly 'Escapism'.
I say: "Well, you have to accept a certain amount of mission creep. I mean if you actually want to talk about video games you should go to a serious site like /V/ or something".
On-topic: what reason do they think he might be a rapist, rather than merely "could be a rapist". Though I really don't care if he was just a burglar, better shoot first and ask questions later than be sorry. Though when you do ask questions later, don't act like it was the circumstance that gave the maximum justification for shooting.
I say: "Well it's where we have serious discussions about rape, gender and violent crime and how awful they are yet have conflicting real world elements"
They say that's not exactly 'Escapism'.
I say: "Well, you have to accept a certain amount of mission creep. I mean if you actually want to talk about video games you should go to a serious site like /V/ or something".
On-topic: what reason do they think he might be a rapist, rather than merely "could be a rapist". Though I really don't care if he was just a burglar, better shoot first and ask questions later than be sorry. Though when you do ask questions later, don't act like it was the circumstance that gave the maximum justification for shooting.
I'm starting to recall something my dad said a while ago when we were watching a movie... He said something like:
"Because of the way the law works, as soon as someone breaks through your front door, the entry way becomes a free shooting range." or something like that.
Anyway, my dad's not wrong. If someone breaks into your house, at least in North America, then anything you do automatically get's the "self defense" label slapped onto it. And in a way, it makes sense. If you're in somebody else's house and they gun you down out of fear, well joke's on you, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Not that I'm saying gunning down someone in your house is a proper thing to do, I just think it's a case of "What did you expect would happen?" Although I really do wonder why the girl had access to the gun in the first place.
"Because of the way the law works, as soon as someone breaks through your front door, the entry way becomes a free shooting range." or something like that.
Anyway, my dad's not wrong. If someone breaks into your house, at least in North America, then anything you do automatically get's the "self defense" label slapped onto it. And in a way, it makes sense. If you're in somebody else's house and they gun you down out of fear, well joke's on you, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Not that I'm saying gunning down someone in your house is a proper thing to do, I just think it's a case of "What did you expect would happen?" Although I really do wonder why the girl had access to the gun in the first place.
I wholeheartedly agree with point 2. There is no evidence of him being a rapist. In fact, I find it very unlikely someone would break into a house with such an intent.Keoul said:
Point three is problematic though - concept of passive vs. active defence. Passive defence is static, and can be bypassed with sufficient effort - no matter how high your walls are, and how deep your moat is, eventually it can be crossed. Also, I will point out that most houses in US are not made out of stone... or all that much wood. Putting a 20 mm thick steel door when your walls are paper thin makes no sense. Motion sensitive alarms are a solution, but they cost pretty penny every month. Gun, cheaply, puts the defence of your property in your hands. I don't own a gun, but I understand the sentiments of their owners quite well.
For what it's worth, despite being European, I have no problem with the use of lethal force to protect ones home, even where no violent intent can be established on the part of the burglar/robber/whatever.
On the other hand, the "OMFG RAPIST!!!" brigade look like a bunch of cunts on this one. There's not nearly enough information to suggest that was the burglars intent.
Finally: Good for that lass. Personally not a fan of firearm proliferation throughout a population, but it does always give a warm fuzzy feeling when it's a 12 year old defending herself and her home, and not some weirdo shooting up a school or movie theatre.
On the other hand, the "OMFG RAPIST!!!" brigade look like a bunch of cunts on this one. There's not nearly enough information to suggest that was the burglars intent.
Finally: Good for that lass. Personally not a fan of firearm proliferation throughout a population, but it does always give a warm fuzzy feeling when it's a 12 year old defending herself and her home, and not some weirdo shooting up a school or movie theatre.
Yes, it takes a lot of guts to shoot people, especially in this country, where we also find courage in shooting young men armed with skittles...Vareoth said:
And where I grew up (LA county) it wasn't uncommon for 12 year old kids to shoot and stab others either. My point is that in a gun culture like America bravery and pulling a trigger are, despite what anyone says, mutually exclusive. Armed forces notwithstanding.Vareoth said:
Wait, are you defending a child threatening burglar on the grounds that he isn't actually a rapist? What is this, I don't even...DoPo said:
that is so illogical, you would bang on the door first to hopefully find someone in the house to help, and if not, it's still fucked up to do such a thing, not to mention the person that RAN HER OVER should/probably will have a cell phone on them.Blood Brain Barrier said:
It is not a minor footnote, if you break in through someone's window and do not previously announce yourself or try to knock on the front door a couple times, then by all means, i am happier than hell that little girl knew how to use a gun and had access to it to get that fucker.
the rapist part is sensationalist to add flair, however he went straight for finding her when she was hiding in a closet, you don't do that unless you seriously are looking for trouble.
