Bullshit. The NHS isn't that bad unless you actually go into hospital, which most people don't on a regular basis. Shouldn't people learn not to give a toss about what Fox say? Especially if it's not even about America.
70% of people in England hate their health care!
- Thread starter Crowser
- Start date
Now while the best way to improve the NHS *would* probably be to dismantle it and start again.
That doesn't mean I don't like it the way it is. Sure it could be improved....but the again so could the American electoral system.... but you don't see fox news reporting THAT
That doesn't mean I don't like it the way it is. Sure it could be improved....but the again so could the American electoral system.... but you don't see fox news reporting THAT
Fox News can't even get stuff about their own country right - let alone other people's.
Besides, the point people make who don't like this is not to get rid of the NHS, but restart it. It's been going for 60+ years, sometimes these things need to be re-juggled.
And I'd much rather have our health care system than that piece of shit that the Americans refuse to change.
Besides, the point people make who don't like this is not to get rid of the NHS, but restart it. It's been going for 60+ years, sometimes these things need to be re-juggled.
And I'd much rather have our health care system than that piece of shit that the Americans refuse to change.
Well from what I know (england) most people aren't concerned about healthcare at all, they just don't think about it like that as it seems to be a basic right.
But 70%?
C'mon, thats more than pushing it.
But 70%?
C'mon, thats more than pushing it.
It's propaganda. The only health system better than the UK's is that of France, where they pay far more tax for health care, but it is on a par with private health care. Any country that doesn't have a national government funded health system is, IMHO, uncivilised. If the care you get depends solely on being rich, and mostly not ill, then that is the tail wagging the dog. I know that the mostly rich, not ill will disagree...
With my health system (UK-er here) I am content. Although it took going private to cure me of various childhood illnesses, I was still treated by NHS doctors in the beginning and many of them bent over backwards to help me.
You pay for what you get. I can feel safe in the knowlege that if I collapse tomorrow, I wont be paying for it all my life like in a completly private healthcare system. When I can afford to do so, I will go private again, simply because I think if you can afford to do so, you should. It makes sense from a health standpoint and can free up the NHS system for folks who need it more.
You pay for what you get. I can feel safe in the knowlege that if I collapse tomorrow, I wont be paying for it all my life like in a completly private healthcare system. When I can afford to do so, I will go private again, simply because I think if you can afford to do so, you should. It makes sense from a health standpoint and can free up the NHS system for folks who need it more.
Basically that one, a bunch of greedy Yanks are doing there usual thing whenever something they don't like crops up. SCARE TACTICS!Crowser said:
The reality is they can't bcome up with a sound reason to oppose this, so they're making shit up to make it sound as terrifying as possible. They do this all the time with everything from communists to foreign companies to fuel efficient cars.
France has the best health care system in the world, everyone knows that, our NHS isn't exactly perfect, in fact sometimes it's insanely shit, but most of the time it does actually work.
I certainly wouldn't change it for US style system of insurance premiums, insurance companies are notorious shysters and I womnder how many American patients end up either dead or massively in debt because their policy didn't cover whatever misfortune befell them.
I would imagine that a lot of Brits might feel the NHS would benefit from having some of the middle management cleaned up, there is a little too much red tape going on.
In the same breath though I reckon that most would be happy to know that if they had an accident or a stroke or something that they can get help without going bankrupt.
Does it suck to have to wait your turn? Sure. If you have the money you can always jump to the head of the queue if you want.
That said, I had work-provided medical insurance for a while and getting anything done was a battle to overcome "pre-existibng conditions". Sure, it is the job of the insurance company to evade payouts whereever possible, but no, my carpal tunnel syndrome was NOT caused by the car accident I had been in ten years before....
In the same breath though I reckon that most would be happy to know that if they had an accident or a stroke or something that they can get help without going bankrupt.
Does it suck to have to wait your turn? Sure. If you have the money you can always jump to the head of the queue if you want.
That said, I had work-provided medical insurance for a while and getting anything done was a battle to overcome "pre-existibng conditions". Sure, it is the job of the insurance company to evade payouts whereever possible, but no, my carpal tunnel syndrome was NOT caused by the car accident I had been in ten years before....
If it's the UK I can believe it, not because anything's fundamentally wrong, just because we're English and we complain about everything.ziggybogidou said:
1. Fox news? Hah! I watched them for a total of 3 hours while I was in Washington and from just that tiny amount of time I can safely conclude it's the worst news network in existence.Crowser said:
2. FRANCE?! NO! They have the best healthcare in the world. Why would they change it?
3. No, 70% of people here do not want to remove the NHS. Seriously. If a politician proposed that, it would be the end of his career.
Agreed. The NHS is a great system, but it's really, really in need of reform. Hell, most of the current problems come from the marginal capitalization of the system from its truly socialist roots. Different NHS areas actually compete with eachother for funding, apparently, and so you get the horrible effect where one that is failing fails more, and ones that are doing well get even more money. In principal, it sounds right to reward good service, but does that principal really apply to healthcare?Woodsey said:
We actually examined the American and UK healthcare systems in economics last week. We came to the conclusion that the UK system was better because, basically, it doesn't allow anyone to die on purpose.
Here in Canada we have the same (if not similar) health care as these countries and pretty much everyone here can agree its a tad slow and a little bit under staffed at least in comparison to the US one. Although everyone agrees that you Americans pay far too much for what we get for free. All in all I can complain a little but I know it could be worse, and Fox News can be put in a giant wood chipper.
woah this thread is back, although tbh when this was going around there were so many threads about it i have no idea if i have already posted in here. As theres 8 pages to look through i'll just state my opinion here.
"English people like to moan about everything.... its what we do."
"English people like to moan about everything.... its what we do."
Fox lies.
The only people in Britain who hate the NHS are the ones who haven't been sick enough to see where their money is going. They should be thankful they didn't break their leg, not angry that they didn't get their share of what they paid for.
Fox really, really aggravates me. Normally it's okay, because they're reporting on American incidents. But when they make up crap like this about MY country, I get pretty pissed
The only people in Britain who hate the NHS are the ones who haven't been sick enough to see where their money is going. They should be thankful they didn't break their leg, not angry that they didn't get their share of what they paid for.
Fox really, really aggravates me. Normally it's okay, because they're reporting on American incidents. But when they make up crap like this about MY country, I get pretty pissed