There's very little concrete evidence of these things, and much of the evidence which does exist tends to contradict itself. What would you say is the biological mechanism which produces that outcome?vallorn said:Just as people do not "choose" to be gay or bi, people do not "choose" to be trans, it's a part of who they are in their biology.
You've just raised the possibility that a woman can exclusively have sexual intercourse with women, can identify as a lesbian and yet somehow is actually not a lesbian because of invisible, undetectable quirk of their assumed "biology".vallorn said:And no, 'political lesbians' are not a thing and the people who put forward that idea are the kind who set LGBT rights back by decades.
At birth, a newborn infant cannot demonstrably recognize objects.. including faces. They develop the ability to recognize faces about a day or two after being born, so it is one of the first things humans are able to do but it's still not even clear how babies learn to recognize faces at all. In short, I'd really like to see that research because it sounds unbelievably suspect.vallorn said:It actually begins at birth, research has shown that newborns (So no subconscious conditioning) show statistically significant differences in behavior, with boys focusing on mechanical constructs and girls focusing on faces.
And how do we know what genitals someone has?Siesta45 said:Is GENder real? Yes. it is predicated upon your GENitals.
I think this person means that genders are essentially sexes/sexual roles for an organism, IE, men/males are the ones to do the spermy things with their naughty bits and women/females do the eggy things with theirs. Of course there are tons of problems with defining things that way as well.Dynast Brass said:I'm sorry, English isn't my first language, and I didn't understand a word of that. Could you possibly explain what you mean?Siesta45 said:Is GENder real? Yes. it is predicated upon your GENitals. It's which part of the reproduction process an organism enacts.
He;s saying that gender is real because gender is derived based on one's genitals. Gender means which genitals one has.Dynast Brass said:I'm sorry, English isn't my first language, and I didn't understand a word of that. Could you possibly explain what you mean?Siesta45 said:Is GENder real? Yes. it is predicated upon your GENitals. It's which part of the reproduction process an organism enacts.
It's always been a convoluted term. Kind of inevitable when you bend a word that has nothing to do with sex or biology (or even living things) and force it into a role where people can suddenly interpret it as a synonym for 'sex'.Dalrien said:It seems i'll have to start refering to people by sex instead of "gender" which has become a ridiculously convoluted term for the sake of making people who don't conform to stereotypes more comfortable with themselves.
I think that's going a bit far. Consider what the evolutionary psychologist in the documentary you posted said about the hormones being controlled by the brain. It's really hard to separate the human brain from the human mind, as well as hard to separate the single human mind from the grouped human mind as seen in social contexts. I don't think it's so much that "Gender Roles" could be a falsehood as their reasons for existing and their modern relevance (or lack thereof) may not be what is commonly believed.vallorn said:"Gender Roles" imposed by a society may be a falsehood altogether.
You've correctly pointed out that the "gen" in both those words came from the same original meaning (some word in sanskrit if I remember correctly), but it's worth noting that the words "kin" and "kind" came from that origin as well. In the evolution of the words, "genitals" came from more the "kin" side of the meaning, while "gender" literally is just a synonym for "kind".Siesta45 said:Is GENder real? Yes. it is predicated upon your GENitals. It's which part of the reproduction process an organism enacts.