Is The American Dream A Sham?
Is The American Dream A Sham? Richard Rorty on American Pragmatism.
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Is The American Dream A Sham? Richard Rorty on American Pragmatism.
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My father in a nutshellthe silence said:Is it a bad thing? Maybe the problem about ideas is not the idea itself, but the misuse and manipulation. Or maybe you should tell everyone "better do not work hard. You can't achieve greatness anyway".
You do realise there's never been a communist state on run to true communist ideals right? confusing dictatorships and fascist police states with communism is a trick coined by the US to create a global threat to consolidate power after the second world war. Also since you brought up China, there is the perfect example of what's wrong with capitalism, 99% of the population poor and exploited working in extremely low paid jobs while the less than 1% are making vast sums of money off their backs.Lazule said:Nope not real at all. Its a nice ideal but unrealistic at best, it made the US popular for a while through but in the end is just a sham.
But countries would be worse off with Communism. Capitalism right now is the meta since everyone is competing, the ones that have a true mastery over it are the Chinese more specifically Shanghai. They are going to be the world #1 Economic Power in the future no doubt.
The freedom of market there is quite nice. Which is ironic since the governing party in China has its roots in Communism, they realized the system didn't work and went full meta and now they are kicking-ass economically.
Amusing how it's basically an Authoritarian/Socialist dictatorship in China that is making a perfect example of the ills of Capitalism.KaZuYa said:You do realise there's never been a communist state on run to true communist ideals right? confusing dictatorships and fascist police states with communism is a trick coined by the US to create a global threat to consolidate power after the second world war. Also since you brought up China, there is the perfect example of what's wrong with capitalism, 99% of the population poor and exploited working in extremely low paid jobs while the less than 1% are making vast sums of money off their backs.Lazule said:Nope not real at all. Its a nice ideal but unrealistic at best, it made the US popular for a while through but in the end is just a sham.
But countries would be worse off with Communism. Capitalism right now is the meta since everyone is competing, the ones that have a true mastery over it are the Chinese more specifically Shanghai. They are going to be the world #1 Economic Power in the future no doubt.
The freedom of market there is quite nice. Which is ironic since the governing party in China has its roots in Communism, they realized the system didn't work and went full meta and now they are kicking-ass economically.
not really conidering that China is capitalist dictatorship with a fancy title. Its as much socialist as Soviet union was communist - that is in name only.Tono Makt said:Amusing how it's basically an Authoritarian/Socialist dictatorship in China that is making a perfect example of the ills of Capitalism.
Yeah, the American/Western style capitalism SUCKS. But there's an honesty to it that you just don't find elsewhere, and there's a chance it'll be fixed before it implodes.
You can argue about how close China is to your idea of socialism, but to say that it's not socialist is... well, frankly it's like saying that Mormon's aren't Christian. They're Christians - just not the mainstream Christians. And trying to call it a CAPITALIST dictatorship is a just a step away from utter insanity. It's barely capitalistic right now - maybe in 20 years it will be a point of legitimate debate, but right now China is still a country where a single party - the Communist Party of China - has essentially absolute power over the nation and everything in it and is merely allowing people (the "correct" people for the most part) to run aspects of the economy they are willing to be run with less oversight than other area's. And if the CPC decides that something needs to come back under CPC direct control there is little to nothing that can be done to stop it.Strazdas said:its always been a sham. an idea sold to people so they would work had for your profits and complain less.
not really conidering that China is capitalist dictatorship with a fancy title. Its as much socialist as Soviet union was communist - that is in name only.Tono Makt said:Amusing how it's basically an Authoritarian/Socialist dictatorship in China that is making a perfect example of the ills of Capitalism.
Yeah, the American/Western style capitalism SUCKS. But there's an honesty to it that you just don't find elsewhere, and there's a chance it'll be fixed before it implodes.
you cant fix capitalism. capitalism is broken as a concept.